The make or break question....

[Johnno]

Hey guys,

Joined here a few months ago, pondered about at different cars, test drove a cayman S, Few m3's etc then decided to 100% put my evo up for sale.

CSL's have always made my head turn, being a regular at the ring I've seen my fair share.

The make or break question for me is, why a csl and why not a 5 year newer V8 M3.

There's obviously pro's and con's for both, the biggest pro for the v8 is its newer, dct box is faster? Pros for csl, rare, will hold value better?

I'm guessing the biggest one is depreciating, v8's can be had for around 20k now.

My evo is going tommorow hopefully, taken a deposit so all well ill be in the market for a new car. Anyone around South Wales fancy showing me what a csl can do?

(Thinking of trying to view this this weekend if I can) - http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=460316

[Mike RT4]

Hey guys,

Joined here a few months ago, pondered about at different cars, test drove a cayman S, Few m3's etc then decided to 100% put my evo up for sale.

CSL's have always made my head turn, being a regular at the ring I've seen my fair share.

The make or break question for me is, why a csl and why not a 5 year newer V8 M3.

There's obviously pro's and con's for both, the biggest pro for the v8 is its newer, dct box is faster? Pros for csl, rare, will hold value better?

I'm guessing the biggest one is depreciating, v8's can be had for around 20k now.

My evo is going tommorow hopefully, taken a deposit so all well ill be in the market for a new car. Anyone around South Wales fancy showing me what a csl can do?

(Thinking of trying to view this this weekend if I can) - http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=460316

The E92 is 1680kg and only 420PS, the CSL is 1400kg and 360PS, so the power to weight is almost identical, so the newer car doesn't feel any faster. However, the V8 feels big and heavy by comparison when throwing it around (as you would expect at that weight) and like most M cars the brakes start to wilt when pressed on track (again down to the weight).

This is shown perfectly by the fact that a factory CSL is faster around the 'ring than a factory E92 V8.

However, if you're a 'ring regular, you can turn the E92 into a proper weapon, if you're prepared to gut it it lose the OEM creature comforts. And you can do this for the cost of a good CSL as well :smokin:.

This car went for £17.5k :119: :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141032472318?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

So stripped, APs, Nitrons, Recaro race seats, 18s and it can be a 1450kg weapon (if you can live with the stripped interior). The Schirmer cars with these mods (and a few other bits - a Drexler diff, aero, oil coolers and Akraprovic exhaust) do 7.22 full laps of the 'ring :notworthy:.





However, as standard, they are just a bit of a bus (weighing not shy of the old E39 M5). We're fortunate enough to have both the CSL and an E90 V8. I can't remember the last time I used the V8 though, as it is just too ordinary, where the CSL is a proper event.

[Steve B]

£490 to tax it a year puts me off...!!!!, especially as my car sits in the garage all the time gathering dust.


Steve

[Mike RT4]

Regarding the car you're going to see, PM "lawsy", as no doubt he has seen it in the flesh and can give you any unbiased information you might need, as it is owned by one of the guys that tunes his Evo (he has posted details of the car on here on the owner's behalf as well) .

[Johnno]

I know of Ross, who's selling that particular csl bought many parts off him for my evo.

My last ring trip (may) I saw the two black team cars, and they were mega. And that's why I'm debating which one.

If I buy a csl, with suspension / brake upgrades, it will hold better value. Than if I were to get a v8 m3 and chop it all up, spending alot more on it?

Mpg wise what are you guys getting? Anyone using these as a daily drive?

[Pooky]

Where is the proof of a Schirmer car on road legal tyres doing a 7.22?

[glendog74]

CSL MPG:

Mixed driving average: 23-25 mpg

Motorway/long distance: >31-32 mpg

Track driving: around 10-12 mpg (track dependant)

[Mike RT4]

Where is the proof of a Schirmer car on road legal tyres doing a 7.22?

Here is his 7.19 BTG lap on a TF day - the 7.22 full lap is what I was told by the owner of the above white car, and that the black car has now also got down to a 7:05 BTG....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_7l8lLbAQ

[Mike RT4]

I know of Ross, who's selling that particular csl bought many parts off him for my evo.

My last ring trip (may) I saw the two black team cars, and they were mega. And that's why I'm debating which one.

If I buy a csl, with suspension / brake upgrades, it will hold better value. Than if I were to get a v8 m3 and chop it all up, spending alot more on it?

Mpg wise what are you guys getting? Anyone using these as a daily drive?

A good CSL is only going to go up, a V8 is only going to go down (they just built too many). So if the decision is purely based on residuals, then it has to be the CSL. However, if you're going to be using it everyday (which it will do with ease), you'd be better off buying a high mileage CSL, as you'd only (sadly) devalue a low mileage car by putting loads of (mundane) miles on it.

Values tend to be as follows and mileage does seem to play an important part (these are all assuming VGC and full history), obviously lower mileage, but less cared for cars will be worth less and higher mileage exceptionally cared for cars will be worth more than this guide:
<10k miles = £50k+
10k - 15k = £50-£45k
15k - 20k = £45-40k
20k - 30k = £40-35k
40k - 50k = £35-30k
50k - 70k = £30-25k
70k - 100k = £25-20k

[E46CSL]

A good CSL is only going to go up, a V8 is only going to go down (they just built too many). So if the decision is purely based on residuals, then it has to be the CSL. However, if you're going to be using it everyday (which it will do with ease), you'd be better off buying a high mileage CSL, as you'd only (sadly) devalue a low mileage car by putting loads of (mundane) miles on it.

Values tend to be as follows and mileage does seem to play an important part (these are all assuming VGC and full history), obviously lower mileage, but less cared for cars will be worth less and higher mileage exceptionally cared for cars will be worth more than this guide:
<10k miles = £50k+
10k - 15k = £50-£45k
15k - 20k = £45-40k
20k - 30k = £40-35k
40k - 50k = £35-30k
50k - 70k = £30-25k
70k - 100k = £25-20k

& 30 to 40K?

[LeinsCSL]

You need to drive one and all will be clear, simple as that really. Decision will then be made for you!

£490 to tax it a year puts me off...!!!!, especially as my car sits in the garage all the time gathering dust.


Steve

No talk of all your cheap tax rates over there please!

[Johnno]

A good CSL is only going to go up, a V8 is only going to go down (they just built too many). So if the decision is purely based on residuals, then it has to be the CSL. However, if you're going to be using it everyday (which it will do with ease), you'd be better off buying a high mileage CSL, as you'd only (sadly) devalue a low mileage car by putting loads of (mundane) miles on it.

Values tend to be as follows and mileage does seem to play an important part (these are all assuming VGC and full history), obviously lower mileage, but less cared for cars will be worth less and higher mileage exceptionally cared for cars will be worth more than this guide:
<10k miles = £50k+
10k - 15k = £50-£45k
15k - 20k = £45-40k
20k - 30k = £40-35k
40k - 50k = £35-30k
50k - 70k = £30-25k
70k - 100k = £25-20k

When I say every day driving, it won't be 100's of miles a year, 1 or 2 ring trips a year and I drive about 7 times a month to work ( in a lift share) so it's not mega miles.

So the other question is,

Do I buy a e46 m3, for around 8-10k, and pocket 15k. I'm just trying to find out what makes the csl so good. Never been or properly looked at one, apart from track side !

John.

[Johnno]

You need to drive one and all will be clear, simple as that really. Decision will then be made for you!




No talk of all your cheap tax rates over there please!

Yeah that's what I'm thinking, drove a V8 version the other day in Cardiff bmw (2009 dct etc) was up for 29k, it felt a utter train on the motorway, but other than that. Wasn't the most exciting.

[Johnno]

I currently drive a 2007 Mini Cooper s as a daily driver, and a 400 bhp Evo 9. But want something more sophisticated for a fast track car and a daily driver. The Evo is really good at hitting corners etc but I get annoyed driving it any distance slowly.

[alexk]

Here is his 7.19 BTG lap on a TF day - the 7.22 full lap is what I was told by the owner of the above white car, and that the black car has now also got down to a 7:05 BTG....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_7l8lLbAQ

Mike how much money he 'invested' in his car ?
Also... this sounds faster than a 997 GT2 RS :whistle: