The make or break question....

[shane@mbtech]

E92 M3 DCT with EDC an absolute must...gearbox is sublime.....however that's about it

Wont repeat the wise words of other well informed peeps but having owned both the E92 M3 and the mighty csl i'm afraid the V8 just doesn't cut it against BMW's finest.

The CSL is an event every time you go out.....the final straw was my wife saying she liked driving the V8 in auto!!
she wont go within 100 yards of the CSL....says it's scary!

What more can I say

She loves getting in mine? :smt058

[Graham]

The Schirmer V8 M3's are something else....but Schirmer seems pretty handy himself, I wonder if he's ever played with a CSL?

[Bounce]

She loves getting in mine? :smt058

:hahaha::hahaha:

[_Nathan_]

The Schirmer V8 M3's are something else....but Schirmer seems pretty handy himself, I wonder if he's ever played with a CSL?

Loads of them.

As a road car the e92 is miles ahead of a CSL if you just want to get somewhere, I've done 21k miles in 17 months in my e90 and I would swap it for a CSL for maybe 10-20% of those miles.

As your only road car if you have to drive a lot the e9x makes a compelling argument for itself, as a toy or if you only every drive on B roads or for fun then the csl is the way to go.

Or just get both

[Mike RT4]

Hi,

To do 7.05 BTG [19.1km] your average
speed is over 100 mph per hour
ie ] over a 161 Kmh

To put that into perspective it means that
that at ''Spa'' faster Circuit, you would be able to do
a Lap time of 2.36 !!!!!!!

Not sure who is smoking what.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

APMSLOL :bigcry:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote-

''You cannot compare ring average speeds to spa average speeds. Bit naive to even compare really.

Lawsy- totally disagree.

To do the ''Alleged'' 7.05 BTG on the ring then you
have to avg over 100 mph.

Ring is slower than Spa, for several reasons
as proven over the years.

So if you can do 7.05 at the ring [slower circuit] then doing
2.36 at Spa in the same Car, [Shrim Car]
should be a walk in the park.

Those Cars will not get close to 2.36 at Spa even if
on slicks so how they do an alleged 7.05 at the
Ring will have to remain what it is 'talk].

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

As regards the Shrim Cars being and
alleged 1450 Kgs then the Guy who
did 7.05 BTG must have been on the
scales that day.

E9X M3 DCT car is approx 35KG heavier than
the Manual [DCT Box is 25kgs hevier alone].

So to go from an approx 1685 kgs to an alleged 1450
kgs, by removing the Inetrior, seats, sound deadning,
roof lining etc, glass, nets around 145 Kgs.

I guess the other 90kgs is to be found with the
7.05 BTG video.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Mike RT4]

Hi,

Quote-

''You cannot compare ring average speeds to spa average speeds. Bit naive to even compare really.

Lawsy- totally disagree.

To do the ''Alleged'' 7.05 BTG on the ring then you
have to avg over 100 mph.

Ring is slower than Spa, for several reasons
as proven over the years.

So if you can do 7.05 at the ring [slower circuit] then doing
2.36 at Spa in the same Car, [Shrim Car]
should be a walk in the park.

Those Cars will not get close to 2.36 at Spa even if
on slicks so how they do an alleged 7.05 at the
Ring will have to remain what it is 'talk].

Regards,

The Gorilla.

I disagree - the 'ring is a very flowing circuit and you spend the majority of your time well North of 100mph (which makes up for the few forays below this on the slower corners). In the dry, there is not one corner that is below 3rd gear (in the CSL).

I have a lap of 7.37 BTG on camera that I'm waiting for my mate to upload that was achieved just mucking around in his Westfield - I was in shorts (it was 30°C) had never driven it around the 'ring before, so was basically doing a sight-seeing lap. I know that pushing the car harder would easily see a very low 7 min. Now I can assure you I'm no track driving God and I only have around 500 laps under my belt, so it should be easily possible for a 'ring veteran to achieve these times in a well sorted car (over a clear lap).

Schirmer prepared GTS doing the full VLN circuit in 9.13 and the North Loop track in 7:28 (all officially verified).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxlRTsnughI

The GTS is 444bhp (450PS) and the Schirmer cars are 431, but "allegedly" 94kg lighter (as they stripped even more) than a GTS. So being 6 seconds faster than the GTS on the same wheel, tyre, aero package (the Schirmer cars have slightly better front end aero than the GTS) isn't unbelievable IMO. Look at the time difference for the CSL compared to the normal M3 - the only difference is the Cups, 110kg and 17bhp, yet I don't see you challenging the time of 7.50 as opposed to 8.22 - a full 32 seconds different with the same driver.

[DazBlackCSL]

:hahaha:

She loves getting in mine? :smt058

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote - ''I disagree - the 'ring is a very flowing circuit...... ''

MikeR- you can disagree all you like but
the Stopwatch does not lie or better
still, make any assumptions [remember the assumptions].

Spa is faster than the Ring, that's not according
to the Primate, that's according to the stopwatch.

The retoric is that Shrim Car would be faster on the
slower circuit than the faster circuit.

So could be a podium at Mondello but only with the
also rans at Silverstone.

Is this what they call revearse engineering ?

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[_Nathan_]

How fast can a CSL lap spa as standard? 2:54? Not with me driving for sure but theoretically with a pro driver?

[Mike RT4]

Hi,

Quote - ''I disagree - the 'ring is a very flowing circuit...... ''

MikeR- you can disagree all you like but
the Stopwatch does not lie or better
still, make any assumptions [remember the assumptions].

Spa is faster than the Ring, that's not according
to the Primate, that's according to the stopwatch.

The retoric is that Shrim Car would be faster on the
slower circuit than the faster circuit.

So could be a podium at Mondello but only with the
also rans at Silverstone.

Is this what they call revearse engineering ?

Regards,

The Gorilla.

I love the way you chose to ignore all the empirical evidence based on just what you believe to be true :bigcry: :blalalala: !

[_Nathan_]

Just for info.

Assuming a CSL will do a 2:54 lap of Spa at 7km (maybe too fast in fairness) and a 7:50 lap of the ring at 22km, average speeds would be 144 km/h for Spa and 168km/h for the ring so in this example the 'ring is miles faster?

[Mike RT4]

How fast can a CSL lap spa as standard? 2:54? Not with me driving for sure but theoretically with a pro driver?

Here is Shim's 2.49.3 (not standard - Intrax, APs, Supersprint and 265/35 18s all round)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdErvQVs6Ss&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[_Nathan_]

Not very but I think my 2:54 is ballpark right.