Autoexpess:BMW M235i vs BMW M3 CSL video

[alexk]

APs not making a difference over a knowingly underbraked car on a track:whistle:
Tbf, they should have been on the car in the first place!

If you have race brake pads, no.
They won't improve the laptime as the car will not brake faster.

[alexk]

As a comment on this sort of pointless comparison.

I don't think the M235i is anywhere near a CSL on a track.
A fair comparison would be with the CSL having the proper cup tyres and some proper brake pads.

This video is clearly advertising the new product.
BMW is successful in selling/marketing the new m-wannabe products.
Everyday I see at least 3-4 m135i on the way to and back from work.

The M235i racing is a very nice car and I would like to buy one in a few years.
But that's a racing car right ?

[devam]

So he couldn't let the CSL win, so as not to embarrass BMW and not get another car to review from them? Why did the clock change from the csl time above to both times rolling?

[shimmy]

If you have race brake pads, no.
They won't improve the laptime as the car will not brake faster.

Absolutely right Alex.

[LeinsCSL]

I'm sure this M235i would stuff an M1 or E30 SE around a track, even with all their race heritage and pricey prices these days, but I know what I'd rather have

Wouldn't mind one of these things as a daily hacker though

[shimmy]

Here is the M135 with Evo clocking a 1m26.6s round the Evo West Circuit at Bedford. Driver looks half decent (unlike the M235 dullard)

Looks like my predictions of 1m 25 might be a bit optimistic but still looking poor against the CSL 1m22.5

http://youtu.be/Wjo0o-M35GQ

[digi]

Here is the M135 with Evo clocking a 1m26.6s round the Evo West Circuit at Bedford. Driver looks half decent (unlike the M235 dullard)

Looks like my predictions of 1m 25 might be a bit optimistic but still looking poor against the CSL 1m22.5

:smokin::smokin::smokin::finga:

[digi]

Guys, if anyone lends a cescil to a tester, pls could you inform the tester to disconnect the battery the night before prior to the test. They won't complaint too much about the SMG then.

You can hear the SMG in the video dragging itself (slur) on the up-shifts. I get this when I don't disconnect (prior pussy footing it in town). If I disconnect the night before and go for a blast the next day, the shifts are brutal and fast. I have the R35 too, so have a reference for fast gearboxes, but when the SMG is in no compromise (slur) mode, its plenty quick.

Anyone know a SMG tuner to that can re-flash back a no compromise SMG shift program?

[shimmy]

My best was 1m 28.6 (2 secs slower than Evo) partof which will be it is hard to drive at speed (and I am not that good) and partly coz we had the full HOW FAST cones out which limit the kerb use almost to zero. First part of the circuit it probably has little effect but second half will have a huge difference on times.

Overall the car has power, great little engine, good manual gearbox, good dsc bit lacks a little grip, has woolly steering and no diff (prob all designed to stop t bein like an M car)

Curly and Alex both out there as well in their M135 and also Oneill in his S2000 going great guns.

[O'Neill]

Didn't think the S would stand a chance, 1:26.8 ain't bad, would have been quicker if I didn't keep getting held up by M135s on the practice laps

[s1csl]

Didn't think the S would stand a chance, 1:26.8 ain't bad, would have been quicker if I didn't keep getting held up by M135s on the practice laps

How do you think the CSL would compare on the clock against the BMW 1M with cup tyres on it

[alexk]

How do you think the CSL would compare on the clock against the BMW 1M with cup tyres on it

5 secs faster the CSL.

Joking aside, the 1 M is much slower at the Ring and Hockenheim.
I don't think the two cars have the same pace.

[s1csl]

5 secs faster the CSL.

Joking aside, the 1 M is much slower at the Ring and Hockenheim.
I don't think the two cars have the same pace.

Is that because of the extra 20bhp the CSL has over the 1M or the weight or both as these are power tracks

[alexk]

Is that because of the extra 20bhp the CSL has over the 1M or the weight or both as these are power tracks

The Hockenheim short is not a power track.
I think it's the overall effectiveness of the CSL.
It's lighter, better balanced. A better track weapon.
The what if scenarios are many of course (if the 1M has suspension, if it has lightweight seats, if it has better tyres).
Even with cup tyres I don't see it being faster than a CSL.

I think the new M3/M4 stand a good chance being faster than the CSL as they are very well engineered.
Let's see the numbers as the initially claimed less than 1500kg turned out to be 1600ish :119:

[shimmy]

How do you think the CSL would compare on the clock against the BMW 1M with cup tyres on it

Not sure but Curly, Alex, ONeill and me were all driving past one regularly on Saturday at Bedford West.