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[glendog74]

I think some are missing the point here. Whether it's now or 20 years down the the line, the optionless cars will become the most sought after as that's as the manufacturer intended. Anyone who follows the car market knows this.

Keep talking it up Bryce, lol!

In 20 years time any well cared for CSL will be worth a tidy sum; particularly lower mileage examples.

Mine was specced with aircon & xenons, but no Cups = ultra :gayfight:-spec

It does nudge 180 though :thumbs:

+1 :thumbs: :gayfight:

[Neil M]

Mine was specced with aircon & xenons, but no Cups = ultra :gayfight:-spec

It does nudge 180 though :thumbs:

Yours has the one option that's worth having
The non-option cars could be seen as the poor mans CSL as they were cheaper to buy.

[Sailorbaz]

The non-option cars could be seen as the poor mans CSL as they were cheaper to buy.

I was under the impression the options were no-cost options... :whistle:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I did buy her an M- Power umbrella :hahaha:

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[MisterCorn]

I found this about options.....

The short list of extra-cost options included only an anti-theft alarm, green-tinted windshield stripe or climate comfort windshield, velour floor mats, bi-Xenon headlights with headlight washers (washers excluded on UK-spec examples), Park Distance Control, rain sensor with automatic headlight control, automatic climate control and various cassette/CD/mini-disc radios. There were also three no-cost options available: deletion of the rear “M3 CSL” badge, a “smokers package” that included an ashtray and cigarette lighter, plus the fitment of the forged M Double Spoke II alloy wheels with conventional tires from the standard M3 in place of the CSL’s cross-spoke alloy wheels with Cup tires. One final factory option was the removal of the standard 155-mph top speed limiter.

So a no option car would not be lightest, as a rear badge delete was an option. It would also be limited to 155mph.

MC

[Yanto_csl]

I personally don't buy this. The CSL came out as one edition-it did not have an official sport/stripped out or "more" lightweight version vs a "comfort" version so we're talking about the same car. Adding/subtracting the few options here and there does not have that much of an effect. Overall condition/mileage/SH is much more important.
Furthermore adding or removing aircon/stereo and xenons, may add or remove maybe 18kgs in total however I don't expect that to have much of an effect on the price. In fact its very easy to remove the stereo and put a dummy fascia on it and it doesn't take that much to take out the xenons if you want also. Ok the aircon is more involved but that's maybe 12kg in total so not significant in weight overall. Conversely it might put off some people if there is no aircon and therefore limit its marketability(I personally wouldn't buy it without aircon). Lets not overstate this no option issue folks......

Agree. And any option saving will be countered by the ego weight of many owners :hahaha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7iUKaPlBl8

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Agree. And any option saving will be countered by the ego weight of many owners :hahaha:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7iUKaPlBl8

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[bryce]

Who said the weight has any bearing on value? Still not getting it some of you are you.

This is not a "my cars better than your car" argument.

[Yanto_csl]

Who said the weight has any bearing on value? Still not getting it some of you are you.

This is not a "my cars better than your car" argument.

I get what you're saying and understand the logic, but not sure I agree.

As mentioned, there was no formal CS or Comfort option (as per Porsches roster, and hence no formal factory delineation in model type).

That an owner can choose to swerve the options list or not exercise a no cost option does not sufficiently distinguish the car as something special or different IMO. That you could prob DIY most of this anyway makes it even less so.

I think after 12 years we would've begun to see a delta in price already if this is the case.

Good cars are good cars (and therefore Are more sought after) for stronger reasons than this IMO.

[MCSL]

Good cars are good cars (and therefore Are more sought after) for stronger reasons than this IMO.

I agree with this.

It gets to a point when it all gets a bit silly. A CSL is a CSL.

[Scott]

I get what you're saying and understand the logic, but not sure I agree.

As mentioned, there was no formal CS or Comfort option (as per Porsches roster, and hence no formal factory delineation in model type).

That an owner can choose to swerve the options list or not exercise a no cost option does not sufficiently distinguish the car as something special or different IMO. That you could prob DIY most of this anyway makes it even less so.

I think after 12 years we would've begun to see a delta in price already if this is the case.

Good cars are good cars (and therefore Are more sought after) for stronger reasons than this IMO.

I don't think he is saying one CSL is better than another - that is not the case, all CSL's are brilliant and will appreciate. What he is saying is that now, or in 20 years, collectors will want the most unique, one with the best story, one with the best history, one with the lowest miles or one of 3 optionless cars from the factory. Obviously condition and history play a massive part in this but assuming like for like the optionless one will be more desirable and hence more valuable IMO.

Yes you can obviously delete all the options to make it an optionless car but to the same extent you can buy a normal M3 and turn it in to a CSL...

I think Nick sums up Bryce's point perfectly

Like an E30 Evo Sport or Stradale the examples that become most desirable are the ones truest to the original concept.

Whether you think it's worth more or not shouldn't really matter because whatever Nick puts it up for I can almost guarantee there will be a price increase across the board. Something that none of us should be against.

[nw99]

Agreed the higher it goes the better for the rest of who own the cars .

[Yanto_csl]

I don't think he is saying one CSL is better than another - that is not the case, all CSL's are brilliant and will appreciate. What he is saying is that now, or in 20 years, collectors will want the most unique, one with the best story, one with the best history, one with the lowest miles or one of 3 optionless cars from the factory. Obviously condition and history play a massive part in this but assuming like for like the optionless one will be more desirable and hence more valuable IMO.

Yes, I am saying I'm not 100% convinced of the option less position. Beauty of forums is the differing opinion:beer:

Yes you can obviously delete all the options to make it an optionless car but to the same extent you can buy a normal M3 and turn it in to a CSL...

But no CSL chassis #doing it this way..hence not original factory car.....hence, I disagree. Like turning a boggo 993 into a 993 RS look a like for example.

I think Nick sums up Bryce's point perfectly

Aside from RHD/LHD is there a pricespread within the Evo or stradale model based on options (or not) chosen? (Genuine question)....which is the basis of the above comment

[LeinsCSL]

Great if prices go up, but this all sounds a bit Emperor's New Options List to me

A car is worth more because it wasn't ordered with a radio 12 years ago... Were all these "optionless" cars originally spec'd with Cups? If not, are they worth less now because they originally rolled out on 19" double-spokes?

For what it's worth, I would have paid a premium for one of the original MiniDisc cars :smokin:

[MisterCorn]

For what it's worth, I would have paid a premium for one of the original MiniDisc cars :smokin:

I have just taken the minidisc player out of my 300SL if you really want one...

MC