31k miler at Gray Paul Ferrari

[mattCSLnut]

Yep, it seems v punchy - even though 31k miles is low.
Key for me is what members who might know the car think. From reading previous posts from Hypnotic, who I think owned the car from 2008-2013'ish, he had clutch, flywheel and ECU replaced under warranty in 2008 when it had done around 22k miles....

Is that a common problem, or an indication that its been mistreated? The fact that they were changed under warranty less than 10k miles ago possibly a good thing however...

Any and all thoughts on the history of this car would be VERY welcomed ! I think Hypnotic was a chap called Gary, car would have had around 3 owners before him, stock number plate is SB04 RKE

cheers guys:beer:

While I don't personally know that particular car it does sound a bit too early for a clutch replacement and points at a hard early life. While clutch / flywheel are a common issue they usually last a lot longer than 22K. Mine was changed @ 58K miles at the end of 2007. The ECU is not a common problem so it's a bit unusual to have been changes at all.
I doubt whoever bought it will be overly concern with it as all they'll probably see is a low mileage CSL investment potential.:whistle:
Best of luck to the new owner :beer:

[outnumbered]

Didn't loads of people have new clutches/flywheels and Murkett's a few years ago in the BM3W days when there was that big panic about clutch slur ?

[nw942]

When I enquired I was told:

"they also tell me the car has had a new top end of the engine due to slightly low compression on one of the cylinders whilst the car was in for a warranty check, so at present the car cannot be revved above 5,000 rpm for 1200 miles whilst running in."

[mattCSLnut]

When I enquired I was told:

"they also tell me the car has had a new top end of the engine due to slightly low compression on one of the cylinders whilst the car was in for a warranty check, so at present the car cannot be revved above 5,000 rpm for 1200 miles whilst running in."

If that is the case I'm just wondering when the bottom end will let go on this one as unfortunately that's the usual pattern of events with top end only rebuilds :bigcry:

[MCSL]

If that is the case I'm just wondering when the bottom end will let go on this one as unfortunately that's the usual pattern of events with top end only rebuilds :bigcry:

Just to put things correct -

This car HAS had a new bottom end (700 miles ago). Last year Gareth @ elms diagnosed the "common" head gasket failure upon compression test - which i requested when it went in for routine servicing. A new head was ordered. Upon strip down slight bore scoring was found. A new block and pistons, crank, shells, pump etc etc etc etc was also ordered and fitted (under BMW warranty). BMW warranty paid approx £15k for all engine work + loan car for approx 6 months whilst bits were on order from Germany.

A big thanks goes out to BMW elms Cambridge (Emma, Gareth and Dan).

The previous owner also had his fair share of warranty usage. New gearbox, diff, springs, (and more - which i can't recall at present)

The cars virtually brand new! Cheers BMW :beer:

[Bunty]

Thanks for the info.

As the car has had a new block, this car is now no longer a matching numbers car which will massively effect the collector value in future years.

That being the case, I don't think I would have paid £52,000 or anything close.

[Pethead]

Just to put things correct -

This car HAS had a new bottom end (700 miles ago). Last year Gareth @ elms diagnosed the "common" head gasket failure upon compression test - which i requested when it went in for routine servicing. A new head was ordered. Upon strip down slight bore scoring was found. A new block and pistons, crank, shells, pump etc etc etc etc was also ordered and fitted (under BMW warranty). BMW warranty paid approx £15k for all engine work + loan car for approx 6 months whilst bits were on order from Germany.

A big thanks goes out to BMW elms Cambridge (Emma, Gareth and Dan).

The previous owner also had his fair share of warranty usage. New gearbox, diff, springs, (and more - which i can't recall at present)

The cars virtually brand new! Cheers BMW :beer:

Good job for clarifying MCSL.

Presumably the engine number would be carried over - is that verified / confirmed by Elms ?

[Bunty]

Good job for clarifying MCSL.

Presumably the engine number would be carried over - is that verified / confirmed by Elms ?

I'm pretty sure when you install a new block that the engine number does not carry over.

[Portlandgrey]

I'm pretty sure when you install a new block that the engine number does not carry over.

I can't see it'll make any difference as it will be fully documented by BMW.

[MCSL]

Good job for clarifying MCSL.

Presumably the engine number would be carried over - is that verified / confirmed by Elms ?

Yes.

[Bunty]

Yes.

Not correct.....It may be fully documented by BMW but the new block will NOT carry the same engine number.

This car will always carry the stigma of having a replacement engine fitted which will affect the future value as these are very much collector cars now.

[E46CSL]

Not correct.....It may be fully documented by BMW but the new block will NOT carry the same engine number.

This car will always carry the stigma of having a replacement engine fitted which will affect the future value as these are very much collector cars now.

It will not be a 911RS so does not matter. It would not have put me off buying the car.

[Matt21]

Despite buntys scepticism I don't think it matters. With the work carried out I think £52000 is a fair price. Won't be around for long

[Bunty]

It will not be a 911RS so does not matter. It would not have put me off buying the car.

That's personal preference, it may not have bothered you, but it would bother a lot of people that are going to shell out £50,000+ on a CSL.

The value for a collector is the low miles and originality, a replacement engine means the car is no longer original.

[Bunty]

Despite buntys scepticism I don't think it matters. With the work carried out I think £52000 is a fair price. Won't be around for long

Of course it matters.....someone may buy it not realising the significance of the replacement engine, but when it comes time to sell, questions will be asked. You have been warned.

The price needs to reflect that the car is no longer original.