31k miler at Gray Paul Ferrari

[E46CSL]

That's personal preference, it may not have bothered you, but it would bother a lot of people that are going to shell out £50,000+ on a CSL.

The value for a collector is the low miles and originality, a replacement engine means the car is no longer original.

As you say, it is personal preference.

£50k is not a lot of money these days in this silly market on a scarce commodity, although a little toppy in my view - but the market decides.

Sum of the parts - I'd rather buy a M3 CS manual at 20k.

[Bunty]

As you say, it is personal preference.

£50k is not a lot of money these days in this silly market on a scarce commodity, although a little toppy in my view - but the market decides.

Sum of the parts - I'd rather buy a M3 CS manual at 20k.

50K may not be a lot of money to you, but it is to an awful lot of people.

These cars have doubled in value in the last two years, that growth is not sustainable long term. There is a lot of people talking up prices on this forum, which is fair enough for an owner, but anyone who thinks they are going to make a profit on this particular car come time to sell will most likely get caught with their pants down around their ankles after shelling out £52,000.

Trees do not grow to the sky

[MCSL]

Not correct.....It may be fully documented by BMW but the new block will NOT carry the same engine number.
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:hahaha:

Here's an idea Bunty - put your mouse down, get off your seat, and go look at the engine number.

You wouldn't be the chap who's offer was politely refused would you?

[Pethead]

50K may not be a lot of money to you, but it is to an awful lot of people.

These cars have doubled in value in the last two years, that growth is not sustainable long term. There is a lot of people talking up prices on this forum, which is fair enough for an owner, but anyone who thinks they are going to make a profit on this particular car come time to sell will most likely get caught with their pants down around their ankles after shelling out £52,000.

Trees do not grow to the sky

So this LHD 1973 3.0 CSL Batmobile advertised at £199.000 is significantly hampered in value because its re-spray and engine rebuild in 2011 lose its originality ....?

[Pethead]

So this LHD 1973 3.0 CSL Batmobile advertised at £199.000 is significantly hampered in value because its re-spray and engine rebuild in 2011 lose its originality ....?

Sorry - link below:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/csl/bmw-3-0-csl-batmobile/2895963

[Bunty]

So this LHD 1973 3.0 CSL Batmobile advertised at £199.000 is significantly hampered in value because its re-spray and engine rebuild in 2011 lose its originality ....?

I suggest you put your money where you mouth is bud.

[Bunty]

:hahaha:

Here's an idea Bunty - put your mouse down, get off your seat, and go look at the engine number.

You wouldn't be the chap who's offer was politely refused would you?

I don't need to check it MCSL as I know it's not the number that the original engine came with.

Do you really think I put an offer on that car :hahaha:

Did Elms actually tell you the car carried the same engine number, as you seem convinced.

[Pethead]

I suggest you put your money where you mouth is bud.

Easy there .... Not trying to offend - merely adding to the discussion and asking the question- do collectors look negatively at seriously collectable (and typically very old) cars that have had professional restorations - that can include complete engine rebuilds?

[MCSL]

Do you really think I put an offer on that car :hahaha:

Apologies, it wasn't my intention to upset you Bunty. I'll tell you what dude - if it doesn't sell, and i can't give it away for toffee, I'll let you have it for a cuddle :beer:

[Bunty]

Apologies, it wasn't my intention to upset you Bunty. I'll tell you what dude - if it doesn't sell, and i can't give it away for toffee, I'll let you have it for a cuddle :beer:

MCSL,despite what you might think, I am not having a personal go at you. I was not aware that you were selling the car. I thought that it was being sold by a dealer. From your post it appeared that you were a previous owner.

The remarks below are just my observations from buying classic cars for many years. If had known that a board member was selling the car I would not have said anything.

Good luck with the sale.

[Bunty]

Easy there .... Not trying to offend - merely adding to the discussion and asking the question- do collectors look negatively at seriously collectable (and typically very old) cars that have had professional restorations - that can include complete engine rebuilds?

No offence taken Pethead and I apologise for my short answer.

To answer your question, yes, collectors do look negatively on anything that is not original. Most professional restorers that rebuild engines will always try and reuse the original block to have a matching numbers car.

Good original cars will beat a restoration any day of the week, that's not to say that a nut and bolt resto is not worth a great deal of money on a collectible car. Just that an unrestored version will be worth more and significantly more in a lot of cases.

Non original rare cars are still very desirable but just don't command the same high prices.

As the saying goes " it's only original once"

:beer:

:beer:

[nw99]

Car is now sold ?

[Matt21]

Just passed Greypaul today. This CSL is listed as sold

[nw99]

Yes now up for sale at a Jaguar dealer

[E46CSL]

Yes now up for sale at a Jaguar dealer

Link?