What do you think about the M3 GTS?

[cslsuperfan]

Love all the comments so far. Having owned a CSL for 7 years & using it on track regularly I feel I can comment on the 2 cars. The CSL is a fantastic car especially after having the brakes, suspension upgraded & a remap to bring the car from 340hp tp 366hp. The GTS is a completely different car, it feels more like our CSL AFTER all of the changes. The gearbox is a massive improvement & as much as I love the straight six engine, the V8 in the GTS is fantastic. We have put the GTS on a Dyno to compare it with a standard M3 & we were very surprised (standard M3 380hp compared to GTS 457hp!). After all the Pros & Cons about both cars, I love the GTS but I would still have a CSL tomorrow! :thumbs:

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I haven't had the honour of driving or paxing the gts, however I did own it's base line relative, an E92 M3 DCT....gearbox sublime but just felt a little heavy when driven with spirit....the E46 CSL is totally perfect...thats not just my opinion its the opinion of both csl engineers who graced the munich trip.....top blokes. they also wanted full cf seats but BMW said no!!

[shane@mbtech]

I'm looking at doing an e92 project.

Basically same mods as I did to the Csl.
I will then be able to get a real world comparison. On uk tracks, knowing my times in Csl.


Out the box, a gts is leagues ahead of a Csl. Rose tinted glasses need removing if thinking otherwise.

A Csl out the box is much better than a standard e92 m3. But a standard e92 m3 is much better than a standard e46 m3. See where this is going.....

Get this year out the way. Finish the sprints in the Gtr, then start my build.

Rough proposed spec.....

BBK
Coilovers
2 front light seats
Bolt in rear cage
18's
Exhaust and map to approx 460bhp, my mate developed a map on aftermarket pectal ecu, and used his findings on the standard ecu.

[Neil M]

"they also wanted full cf seats but BMW said no!!"

Bl__dy knew it - Accountants! Don't get many of them in Italy, no; heart, soul or passion!

[shimmy]

I'm looking at doing an e92 project.

Basically same mods as I did to the Csl.
I will then be able to get a real world comparison. On uk tracks, knowing my times in Csl.


Out the box, a gts is leagues ahead of a Csl. Rose tinted glasses need removing if thinking otherwise.

A Csl out the box is much better than a standard e92 m3. But a standard e92 m3 is much better than a standard e46 m3. See where this is going.....

Get this year out the way. Finish the sprints in the Gtr, then start my build.

Rough proposed spec.....

BBK
Coilovers
2 front light seats
Bolt in rear cage
18's
Exhaust and map to approx 460bhp, my mate developed a map on aftermarket pectal ecu, and used his findings on the standard ecu.

Lawsy

The dev engineers at BMW who worked on the GTS were adamant that the biggest gains on the e92 were in the breathing. They said the car was heavily restricted on intake and exhaust manifolds.

[M&N]

I'm looking at doing an e92 project.

Basically same mods as I did to the Csl.
I will then be able to get a real world comparison. On uk tracks, knowing my times in Csl.


Out the box, a gts is leagues ahead of a Csl. Rose tinted glasses need removing if thinking otherwise.

A Csl out the box is much better than a standard e92 m3. But a standard e92 m3 is much better than a standard e46 m3. See where this is going.....

Get this year out the way. Finish the sprints in the Gtr, then start my build.

Rough proposed spec.....

BBK
Coilovers
2 front light seats
Bolt in rear cage
18's
Exhaust and map to approx 460bhp, my mate developed a map on aftermarket pectal ecu, and used his findings on the standard ecu.

Sounds like you wish to develop the car similar to Ray West's M3'T'

[Mike RT4]

Sounds like you wish to develop the car similar to Ray West's M3'T'

I looked at his website and there are very few details of this - any chance of giving us a rundown on the mods if you know what has been done?

[northernjim]

I looked at his website and there are very few details of this - any chance of giving us a rundown on the mods if you know what has been done?

He 'develops' his car on facebook Mike



'After some serious testing at the Nurburgring our M3 T brake kit is now available...

Based on our proven Porsche race applications, our bespoke 380mm two-piece discs combined with our floating, ceramic(really) 6-piston calipers and our specially selected pads will provide the ultimate in stopping power for your e92 M3.'

[M&N]

I looked at his website and there are very few details of this - any chance of giving us a rundown on the mods if you know what has been done?

Ray's website is currently under development so he does not have the full details posted as yet.

From memory the car has had the following changes:

Nitron suspension
Ray's Porsche developed BBK
Custom exhaust
Custom mapping
18" wheels with Toyo R888's (265 Front - 295 Rear)
Carbon spoilers
Re-trimmed door cards
Carbon bucket seats

[motorsv8]

thank you for yours answers, I have try the GTS but I want to purchase a SLS AMG

[alexk]

thank you for yours answers, I have try the GTS but I want to purchase a SLS AMG

SLS any day !!!

[shane@mbtech]

an sls passed me @ the ring. I was on v Low 8 minute lap and I must say it looked like it was glued to the road. Awesome sound track too.

I know the gts is v good, but not quite sure of the price tag.

[M&N]

an sls passed me @ the ring. I was on v Low 8 minute lap and I must say it looked like it was glued to the road. Awesome sound track too.

I know the gts is v good, but not quite sure of the price tag.

I agree about the price but hopefully the limited numbers will keep the prices up!

[motorsv8]

I have found a sls in Mercedes Paris and they take my Gallardo

[Loaded_csl]

Its nice but not as good as the CSL

The non standard CSL, aka CSL loaded did 7:22 not 7:50

:thumbs::thumbs:

[Levente]

csl always be a better choice IMO then a gts, there are many reasons for that, for one is the unbeatable sound that the airbox makes. need to say more? no other car beats that. thats that