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    #16
    I find the setup with Pagid RS5/DS2500 front/rear or RS29 front/ DS 2500 rear excellent, the DS3000 are too agressive for the rotor and they melt fast and get rotten in a year with a few good trackdays...

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      #17
      with my extensive testing (sort of) i find that RS14 front and DS2500 rears are the best road/track pad combination

      if only track being done then Rs29 or PF01 may beat the Rs14 due to longer lasting and squeaking not relevant

      i agree that you should avoid using DS2500 on the FRONT on track days due to pad deposits and avoid using Ds3000 all together due to corrosive effect on rims

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        #18
        Originally posted by shimmy View Post
        i agree that you should avoid using DS2500 on the FRONT on track days due to pad deposits
        That's exactly it.

        The DS2500s practically melted themselves onto the discs under use at the 'Ring. And before people start saying I was braking too hard, perhaps, but Glendog can attest we weren't hanging around.

        I'm now having to clean the pad deposits slowly off the discs :banghead::banghead::banghead:

        The DS2500s are ok for road use, but they are definitely NOT up to the task of repeated full force braking on track when 'going for it'.

        No such problems at all with the RS29s which are a proper race spec pad.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Ade View Post
          That's exactly it.

          The DS2500s practically melted themselves onto the discs under use at the 'Ring. And before people start saying I was braking too hard, perhaps, but Glendog can attest we weren't hanging around.

          I'm now having to clean the pad deposits slowly off the discs :banghead::banghead::banghead:

          The DS2500s are ok for road use, but they are definitely NOT up to the task of repeated full force braking on track when 'going for it'.

          No such problems at all with the RS29s which are a proper race spec pad.
          Appreciate the feedback will take it into account when it's upgrade time :thumbs:

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            #20
            Originally posted by Ade View Post
            Glendog can attest we weren't hanging around.
            :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

            Agree with all comments about DS2500 - fine for road but pushed to their limits during hard track use.

            I use RS29's all-round at the moment coz my car has been a bit of a track whore of late... :hahaha:

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              #21
              Well i am a tight scot and the EBC redstuff do fine and not a lot of brake dust
              i am trying the yellow pads this sat at knockhill i shall see if they are better
              than the red pads :thumbs: full set costs £122.00 Bargin

              The DS2500 i had on were not worth the money :banghead:
              I have a set of the 3000 but not used them yet :whistle:

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                #22
                I had EBC Red Stuff 'Ceramic' on my E36 Evo and they destroyed the discs in no time. The pads are fantastic when hot, hellishly hellish when cold, I mean, NO BRAKES! However, as mentioned they did destroy my standard discs, worth a pop though.

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                  #23
                  How much dose the CSL Cup Brake Kit cost?

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                    #24
                    Did anyone ever find out about the TÜV papers for the Alcon CSL Cup kit?

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                      #25
                      Imho still not a walk in the park to get them TÜV approved.:bigcry:
                      Best to ask Alcon directly.

                      Where are you from?

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                        #26
                        i have both kits.

                        Alcon weights 3.7kg each caliper (horror)
                        AP CP5555 weights 2.9kg (Painted)

                        AP cheaper than Brembo and Alcon and a lot of less unsprung weight.

                        The M3 E46 don't need more than 355mm anyways...

                        Also i got 380mm brembo discs and weights 10.XXkg each.

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                          #27
                          Interesting, thanks borjarzz.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by B0rJarZz M. View Post
                            i have both kits.

                            Alcon weights 3.7kg each caliper (horror)
                            AP CP5555 weights 2.9kg (Painted)

                            AP cheaper than Brembo and Alcon and a lot of less unsprung weight.

                            The M3 E46 don't need more than 355mm anyways...

                            Also i got 380mm brembo discs and weights 10.XXkg each.
                            The 380mm brembo discs weight is 9.5kgs and not 10+.
                            What is the weight of the AP racing caliper with the pads ?

                            My brembo monoblocs with pads are 5.2 and I am pretty sure they are lighter than the AP racing with pads.

                            See here -> https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/c...8899-my-m3-csl

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                              #29
                              Alex, how you finding the Brembo's? I always wanted to get the 380mm versions on mine, i've got the 355mm Brembo GT BBK front and rear on mine and they are superb

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                                #30
                                I think they are great.
                                I don't have any complaints.
                                The caliper is exactly the same used for the E92 M3 GTS and E90 M3 CRT.

                                I would have preferred the 355mm version but it was not an option for me, as the 355mm does not have certification for road use, while the 380mm has.

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