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    #46
    Originally posted by DuncanR View Post
    BMW are having a fookin laugh saying that this doesnt happen and denying it in Germany ..then coming up with Technical Bulletins and stupid crazy foam fixes ... I may write a letter to them and say Im going to drive around in it until the floor gives way and kills me !:hahaha: ... then I will sue them :thumbs:
    That could work :thumbs: BTW good to see you back on here matey :beer:

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      #47
      I would be interested to hear if any forum members who had a proper floor replacement and foam fill early on have carried out a detailed inspection since. Any signs of cracks or corrosion? I remember some ppl geting it done back in 09 - cant find the post though...only about 200 subframe threads! General search of tinternet doesn't find anything either - good sign i guess.

      Originally posted by Monkey
      we have seen 2 replacement boot floors fail again within a 3 year period of the repair.
      Monkey, do you recall the root cause of the second time round failures you saw, corroded welds poping, or genuine cracks in foam filled floors?

      Originally posted by Alx View Post
      I'm quite upset with BMW at the moment... On top of their recent ugly designs and turbo-engine philosopy, they handled this Problem quite badly
      :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: cheer up Alex, all the more reason to get the CSL sorted and hold onto it. Just incase you havn't seen it, clearly plenty of others who share your opinion mate....

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        #48
        Haha, this one is a classic JBird.

        It makes me laugh every time - thank you.

        Like you, I'm interested to know if any car has failed after having the foam injections.

        Thank you again everyone!

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          #49
          Hi,

          MikeR- no, they replace with more or less the
          same panel etc, nothing is done with regard
          to addressing the main cause, as its
          a design flaw.

          Go to any Chassis engineer worth his salt
          tell him you have a triple layer sheet floor
          section with two vertical folds and that the
          fixing point for the subframe bolts are
          spot welded in with top and bottom
          flanges.

          Then tell him that the subframe mounts via
          4 H/T bolts all in the same plane to a flat
          'seat' section and there are no Chassis
          dowels for bush location.

          Mention that one Bush has an elongated hole
          in the alloy insert for subframe fitting,
          and that under ''clamp'' the bushes are
          no more than 60nm.

          Then tell him you going to inject foam
          or whatever to stiffen the the 3 layer
          honeycoombe sheet, as the torque loads
          from the diff, which is mounted solely on
          the subframe, and the lateral G loads
          into the bushes via the rear wheels,
          CSL on Type R can pull close to
          1.2/1.5 lateral G in some corners, are
          ripping the mounts and causing sheet metal
          fatigue and cracks.

          A good one would ask what medication your
          on and a poor one would tell you that
          ''it'' migh work, not sure but he available
          if your require his services.

          As a tail note when BMW developed the
          M3 GTR, one of my favorite Race cars
          of all time, one of the first things to go
          was the E46 rear subframe.


          Regards,

          The Gorilla.

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            #50
            Danny the solution is very simple in my opinion.
            We need to get an E46 M3 GTR chassis. :notworthy:

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              #51
              Hi Alex,

              I agree with that for sure.

              Regards,

              The Gorilla.

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                #52
                Hi,

                Alex, no ''Bushes'' to worry about either !!!!

                Regards,

                The Gorilla
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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Monkey View Post
                  I would say though, if yours has not cracked by now, there's a good chance it wont.
                  Thank you again James, that's good to read.

                  My car has currently 60'000 km, but with all those horror stories, I'm not sure it will not break one day.

                  @The Gorilla: That would be a nice solution!

                  I'm wondering if any car had cracks even after the foam injection.

                  I won't do anything before the spring anyway.

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                    #54
                    Does anyone know how long warranty BMW give on the replacement floor?

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                      #55
                      I had mine done at BMW Hitchin bodyshop and they had a guy from France bring his car over for a goodwill replacement....


                      Steve

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by JBird View Post
                        I would be interested to hear if any forum members who had a proper floor replacement and foam fill early on have carried out a detailed inspection since. Any signs of cracks or corrosion? I remember some ppl geting it done back in 09 - cant find the post though...only about 200 subframe threads! General search of tinternet doesn't find anything either - good sign i guess.


                        Monkey, do you recall the root cause of the second time round failures you saw, corroded welds poping, or genuine cracks in foam filled floors?



                        :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: cheer up Alex, all the more reason to get the CSL sorted and hold onto it. Just incase you havn't seen it, clearly plenty of others who share your opinion mate....

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtenM...e_gdata_player
                        Genuine cracks I think I'm right in saying one of them had the foam fill, not sure on the other one. It may just be isolated cases, potentially down to human error in the fitting process. Time will tell if this will happen more frequently.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by MCSL View Post
                          Does anyone know how long warranty BMW give on the replacement floor?
                          I would have to double check, but 99% certain its 3 years.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by MCSL View Post
                            Does anyone know how long warranty BMW give on the replacement floor?
                            The warranty on the workmanship is lifetime, if you keep up annual inspections at the bodyshop that did the repair (insp should be free). If you don't manage the inspections it reduces to 5 years. This only applies to the owner of the car at the time of the repair. This is what I was told at the Woodstock bodyshop where i had mine done. I believe this is std for all UK BMW bodyshops. Exactly what "workmanship" entails i dont know. If the fucker starts corroding, i'd argue it wasn't done properly, but BMW always seem to have a get out clause with corrosion. Certificate looks like this. On the reverse side is where you log the inspections.



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                              #59
                              Take back what I said about the corrosion....turns out its 12 years.

                              ...although, it sounds a bit grey, 12 yrs on the new floor, or 12 years since the car was first registered? Sounds more like the latter which doesn't help much. I guess it means 04 cars that have had new floors have their inherent cover till 2016, but 03 cars (which had just 6 years corrosion warranty originally) have no corrosion cover on the new floor. Gee, BMW thought that one thorough well. Hopefully common sense would prevail and we would still be looked after if they all start rusting.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Monkey View Post
                                I would have to double check, but 99% certain its 3 years.
                                Cheers.

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