Michelin Cup 2 (two)

[alexk]

I wouldn't know about that but it somehow seems possible for Cup2 to be superior in many ways as 12 years is a lot of R&D time for improvement.

<coughs>

I think we need to take into account the eco-green requirements of the EU today, fuel consumption, noise etc etc
The original cup made for the CSL had no such compromises, it was all about grip and lightweight and nothing else (i.e. low temperatures, drag, noise, rain driving).

Some times things advance. Other times... not.
Look at the new M3/M4, fantastic machines but they are 1600+ kg !
You would expect that in 2014 they would be able to get them to 1500kg (like an E36 M3 3.2 with all extras), wouldn't you ?

[AlexGTT]

Wet handling is a vast improvement but I'm very sure the comparisons most are making are with the Cup+ which we all know is nothing like the performance of the Cup. These new cup 2's are also designed with efficiency/economy (as Alex mentioned above) and weight in mind. When I think of all that, there's no way they'll perform like a Cup. If it's not wearing it's not gripping.

[shimmy]

Wet handling is a vast improvement but I'm very sure the comparisons most are making are with the Cup+ which we all know is nothing like the performance of the Cup. These new cup 2's are also designed with efficiency/economy (as Alex mentioned above) and weight in mind. When I think of all that, there's no way they'll perform like a Cup. If it's not wearing it's not gripping.

And with the new EU directive on road noise.

[terryb]

I had a good chat with a Michelin techy guy at Silverstone this week. No data comparing 2s to the original Cups, but as already stated a vast improvement over Cup+

I would say that if your driving is mainly track and you want to be chasing lap times then the original Cup maybe slightly faster, but if you're not chasing ultimate lap times and want a tyre that is great I track but also much improved on the road and in the wet then the Cup+ would be worth a try.

I use Cups on the GT3, but will try Cup+ next time - especially taking into account driving to the Ring, etc

Also to add they are planning on a wide range of sizes for these and will be available from your local ATS garage as they are owned by Michelin and often have good discounts available.

[shimmy]

Sorry I don't chase laptimes so im happy with Nangkangs

[alexk]

Sorry I don't chase laptimes so im happy with Nangkangs

+1

[terryb]

Sorry I don't chase laptimes so im happy with Nangkangs

Twat :blalalala:

[Clubber]

I put my name on the list at my tyre shop to have the first set of Cup2 when they are produced in our rear size. Also, I am thinking of getting Pirelli Trofeo R, many modified (800HP+) Porsche owners I know swear by it.

[Heisenburg]

I put my name on the list at my tyre shop to have the first set of Cup2 when they are produced in our rear size.

Got this from Michelin (UK) today...rears are a while away yet;

Future products:
265/30 ZR19 (93Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch April 2015
235/35 ZR19 (91Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch July 2014

[alexk]

Very high weight ratings for the CSL though.

[Clubber]

Got this from Michelin (UK) today...rears are a while away yet;

Future products:
265/30 ZR19 (93Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch April 2015
235/35 ZR19 (91Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch July 2014

That's bad news
Although the fronts are available at the moment.

[Heisenburg]

Might aswell stockpile the cups off tyre leader in advance.

Billy, are Cups coming to the end of the line?

[alexk]

Did someone try the cup 2 on track and compared it to original cup tyres ?

[alexk]

no one ?

[alexk]

The CSL size is now available at 265/30/19.

Is anyone going to try it anytime soon ?
It would be good to understand if it's an improvement or not so as we can stock up tyres or not