First Trackday

[scoobs998]

It depends how hard you or the circuit are on brakes. Given that you could crash the car if the fluid boils (leading to a loss of pedal) or at the very least have a heart stopping moment, I don't think that it is worth skimping on for the sake of £49.

To me it is worth it for piece of mind and the prevention of turtle head moments :hahaha: :bigcry:.

I also don't like EBC pads (having had bad experiences of them years ago), but they may have improved since then. I don't think they belong on a car of this value :blalalala:.

I'm with Mike on this one, over the years i've tried all kinds of fluid, AP, ATE Super Blue, Motul RBF600 etc.

I have had that moment myself years ago in my old E46 M3, pedal to the floor due to boiled fluid, nearly crashed, I absolutely cacked my pants, honestly thought I was a goner.

SRF is by far the most consistent, I've used it in all my cars for years, ideally it needs changing every year to keep it at it's best.

EBC pads are shocking, they melt, I had a set of rear EBC yellow in my old i8, I managed to melt them after 1 track session at Bedford, I can't even sell them for £5 on eBay as no one will bid, not much better compound than a OEM pad imo.

Its plenty fine, sure castrol SRF has a higher boiling point.. but you need to change it annualy compared to the ATE which is fine with 2-3 years.


Also the boiling points are rather close.

# ATE Super Blue Racing: 280°C
# Castrol SRF Racing: 303°C


I've been using ATE for a few years now with pagid pads and i never had issues. Only that the paint on my calipers have become gold :hahaha::gayfight:

Cheers guys:beer:, due to time restrictions it looks like I will have to run with current set up this monday 17th at Castle Combe, but guess I will be taking it even more steady than I would of been!
I totally agree with not scrimping when it comes to brakes and would happily pay for the right set up. My problem is, as a novice i genuinely don't / didnt know!
I assume you get some warning / pedal going soft if fluid is boiling !?
All of a sudden it seems like i am going to be the one in the more expensive car being passed by cheaper cars etc this time :banghead: (more happy to be on the limit!) The other track days i have done have been in a clio cup & mx5 turbo, so much lighter cars and much lower value !
Any other tips or info gladly received
:thumbs:

[select]

My point was, that you are not skimping by using ATE. Its perfectly fine to use.


BTW. ATE Super Blue Racing = ATE TYPE 200


Saying that you are skimping on fluid when using ATE 200, is like saying you are skimping by using steel brake discs instead of full carbon ones.

[Mike RT4]

Its plenty fine, sure castrol SRF has a higher boiling point.. but you need to change it annualy compared to the ATE which is fine with 2-3 years.


Also the boiling points are rather close.

# ATE Super Blue Racing: 280°C
# Castrol SRF Racing: 303°C


I've been using ATE for a few years now with pagid pads and i never had issues. Only that the paint on my calipers have become gold :hahaha::gayfight:

That is the dry boiling points - now quote the wet boiling points for each one :blalalala:.

# ATE Type 200 Racing: Wet boiling point 198°C
# Castrol SRF Racing: Wet boiling point 270°C

As to changing SRF annually that is a total fallacy - I have had mine in the S2000 for 2 years, in the Escort for 3 years and in the CSL for 3 years, with no drop off at all (but then if you look at the wet boiling point, you will see why that is :blalalala: ). You're more likely to need to change any OTHER fluid more frequently due to the reduced wet boiling point figures, where the SRF remains temperature stable for FAR longer.

[Mike RT4]

Cheers guys:beer:, due to time restrictions it looks like I will have to run with current set up this monday 17th at Castle Combe, but guess I will be taking it even more steady than I would of been!
I totally agree with not scrimping when it comes to brakes and would happily pay for the right set up. My problem is, as a novice i genuinely don't / didnt know!
I assume you get some warning / pedal going soft if fluid is boiling !?
All of a sudden it seems like i am going to be the one in the more expensive car being passed by cheaper cars etc this time :banghead: (more happy to be on the limit!) The other track days i have done have been in a clio cup & mx5 turbo, so much lighter cars and much lower value !
Any other tips or info gladly received
:thumbs:

You will get some warning as the pedal will start to get spongy just before the full-on to the floor moment. Just come in at that point (doing a full cool down lap). By this I mean at 70-80mph for airflow, using the brakes as little as possible.

If you are a proper beginner, read this for some basic guidelines:

http://www.randbmotorsport.co.uk/shop/trackday_guide.asp

[select]

I was told that it reads 18 Months interval on the bottle due to some chemicals in the SRF that start to wear seals etc.

[Mike RT4]

I was told that it reads 18 Months interval on the bottle due to some chemicals in the SRF that start to wear seals etc.

Never had any issues at all

[Chad]

Thought I’d better take the advice:thumbs: ordered front pagid rs29 pads or is it rsl 29 Now, From well know dealers, hopefully stretch to some rears next wk when hopefully back in stock,, Buy the time I get some tyres! could have had a week in the med :whistle:

[Mike RT4]

Thought I’d better take the advice:thumbs: ordered front pagid rs29 pads or is it rsl 29 Now, From well know dealers, hopefully stretch to some rears next wk when hopefully back in stock,, Buy the time I get some tyres! could have had a week in the med :whistle:

If nothing else, it will give you the confidence and piece of mind that the ONLY thing you have to worry about / concentrate on is your driving :thumbs: :smokin: :supz:

[scoobs998]

You will get some warning as the pedal will start to get spongy just before the full-on to the floor moment. Just come in at that point (doing a full cool down lap). By this I mean at 70-80mph for airflow, using the brakes as little as possible.

If you are a proper beginner, read this for some basic guidelines:
http://www.randbmotorsport.co.uk/sho...kday_guide.asp

I've got lucky in that Merlin Motorsport (located at Castle Combe) keep Castrol srf in stock !
Any tips if i were to change on the day? Is 1 litre enough to bleed through?

[Chad]

If nothing else, it will give you the confidence and piece of mind that the ONLY thing you have to worry about / concentrate on is your driving :thumbs: :smokin: :supz:

. Cheers mike , Yes your right .... Just ordered online,a pair of pss4s 265/30/19 quick fit mobile service. £368 , seems a good price ,, if I decide to use csl wheels,, couldn’t get a deal on cups ,, not sure what these will be like on track , ??

[Mike RT4]

. Cheers mike , Yes your right .... Just ordered online,a pair of pss4s 265/30/19 quick fit mobile service. £368 , seems a good price ,, if I decide to use csl wheels,, couldn’t get a deal on cups ,, not sure what these will be like on track , ??

Watch this .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMv64liOqIE

Should answer the above for you .

[Chad]

Hopefully all set ,, new disc’s all round fitted. I think old were just a bit to far gone to run hot ,, new rs 29 front and back ,, New brake hoses fitted,, castrol race brake fluid, new rear PS4’s near new front , flushed through new red power steering fluid dexron 11 d ,,as I Don’t remember ever changing that in the past :whistle: I’m hoping these rs29 pads don’t mess up the csl wheels :banghead: not to mention the new head gasket, new piston rings,new rod shells only 125 miles back...suppose you can just keep spending, hope it’s enough for now :smokin: have I missed anything important ,, ??? DRIVER :whistle:

[Mike RT4]

Hopefully all set ,, new disc’s all round fitted. I think old were just a bit to far gone to run hot ,, new rs 29 front and back ,, New brake hoses fitted,, castrol race brake fluid, new rear PS4’s near new front , flushed through new red power steering fluid dexron 11 d ,,as I Don’t remember ever changing that in the past :whistle: I’m hoping these rs29 pads don’t mess up the csl wheels :banghead: not to mention the new head gasket, new piston rings,new rod shells only 125 miles back...suppose you can just keep spending, hope it’s enough for now :smokin: have I missed anything important ,, ??? DRIVER :whistle:

They won't mess up the wheels providing you don't let the dust get hot and wet. But this is the same with all performance brake pads - just clean the wheels as soon as possible. If you can, apply a good coat of wax polish and some wheel protection stuff. If budget/time allows, have them ceramic coated for ultimate protection .

If they have instructors there, don't be afraid to use them. If it is your first time at the track, do a few laps by yourself first to get familiar with the layout and once you know which way you're next going to be turning, get an instructor on board to show you the lines :smokin:.

If it is a twisty circuit, don't be worried about a bit of power steering fluid in evidence seeping from the reservoir cap - it gets hot and can boil, which means you get a bit of leakage (especially if you have just topped it right up) and that is normal.

Just pray for good weather, as that will make it less nerve wracking and all the more enjoyable (unless they allow drifting :whistle: ) :supz:.

[Chad]

They won't mess up the wheels providing you don't let the dust get hot and wet. But this is the same with all performance brake pads - just clean the wheels as soon as possible. If you can, apply a good coat of wax polish and some wheel protection stuff. If budget/time allows, have them ceramic coated for ultimate protection .

If they have instructors there, don't be afraid to use them. If it is your first time at the track, do a few laps by yourself first to get familiar with the layout and once you know which way you're next going to be turning, get an instructor on board to show you the lines :smokin:.

If it is a twisty circuit, don't be worried about a bit of power steering fluid in evidence seeping from the reservoir cap - it gets hot and can boil, which means you get a bit of leakage (especially if you have just topped it right up) and that is normal.

Just pray for good weather, as that will make it less nerve wracking and all the more enjoyable (unless they allow drifting :whistle: ) :supz:.

thanks mike definitely going to do wax on wheels ,, I think we may even have some ceramic coating :thumbs: would have liked to try some chf11 in the steering system. Just haven’t had the time to do it yet. From memory I’m sure it has a wider temp range

[Chad]

Morning all ,, did the bedding in process on rs29 ,, hopefully done correctly. What I noticed on stage 2 hard braking after 3-5 runs. Brakes felt like they were binding is this about normal. Until they cooled off that took a good 5 mins,, I’m guessing they just got that hot. ,,?? Could here disc’s pinging,,?? I’ll check hand brake isn’t running to tight. Road use always have that adjusted to about 3 clicks do you run handbrake a bit loose as brakes are running hotter??