My OEM+ M3/4/5 Ownership Progression...

[m3f_scoobiedoo2029]

those 19in asc type 3's would look great on a e60... there are 19in x8.5in et43 acs type 3's. just think you could have fit a 255 under there, with the exact same look without a fender roll. but instead, stancypants.

[m3f_Dpro]

Too bad.. another display of irreversible fender rolling and non-OEM mods.

It does not look bad but it's a matter of taste. Fact is a Black M3 is probably one of the best to do this too because they basically made more Black ones than almost any other color.


I do think there is some confusion going on here between rolls and pulls. Pure fender rolling without a pull looks stock from the outside. The only way you can tell a roll is a very up close inspection as its only on the inside of the fender.


Now when you do a pull as well as a roll known as a roll and pull its visible from the outside. It does look like his car has a pull besides a roll . Though I have to say whoever did it did an excellent job.

It looks clos enough to stock that it takes away nothing from the looks of the car.

I also happen to think flared fenders can make a car look totally badass.


It really comes down to the purists who won't change anything beyond a basically stock look and people who like modified cars. Which also comes down to which particular car is being modded.


Anyways anyone wanting to put lower offsets on our cars better be expected to do a roll at least.

My 98 has E46 M3 wheels 18x9 (rears)+26 square . It's a super aggressive and does look badass but I would not recommend it for the faint of heart. As it requires quite a bit of rolling and without a pull is still damn tight.

Of course my 98 is just short of becoming a full on track machine.


My 97 will not be getting that type of treatment though. I will probably keep my offsets around +35 which is still considered aggressive by some. I am pretty much holding her to a more stockish look in part due to her rarity.

[m3f_umichchris]

awesome write up/response man. its great to hear that you have two E36s. i actually really want to pick up a vert later this year and start a new project. something to enjoy a weekend top-down cruise in on the weekends.

It does not look bad but it's a matter of taste. Fact is a Black M3 is probably one of the best to do this too because they basically made more Black ones than almost any other color.



I do think there is some confusion going on here between rolls and pulls. Pure fender rolling without a pull looks stock from the outside. The only way you can tell a roll is a very up close inspection as its only on the inside of the fender.



Now when you do a pull as well as a roll known as a roll and pull its visible from the outside. It does look like his car has a pull besides a roll . Though I have to say whoever did it did an excellent job.

It looks clos enough to stock that it takes away nothing from the looks of the car.

I also happen to think flared fenders can make a car look totally badass.



It really comes down to the purists who won't change anything beyond a basically stock look and people who like modified cars. Which also comes down to which particular car is being modded.



Anyways anyone wanting to put lower offsets on our cars better be expected to do a roll at least.

My 98 has E46 M3 wheels 18x9 (rears)+26 square . It's a super aggressive and does look badass but I would not recommend it for the faint of heart. As it requires quite a bit of rolling and without a pull is still damn tight.

Of course my 98 is just short of becoming a full on track machine.



My 97 will not be getting that type of treatment though. I will probably keep my offsets around +35 which is still considered aggressive by some. I am pretty much holding her to a more stockish look in part due to her rarity.

[m3f_umichchris]

next up i decided to address the brakes. while at it, i went ahead and painted them yellow for a little pop of color.


i went with brembo blanks as an OE replacement for the rotors and akebono pads. so far the pads are pretty awesome...great low-dust option.

[m3f_Psyper]

I think you just sealed your fate with the yellow painted calipers friend

[m3f_camdinans3]

yeah. i can't support this anymore.


215 and 225... I've got wider tires on my corolla.


good luck.

[m3f_Dr. DC2]

Kids these days sure know how to ruin cars.

[m3f_Nick325xiT 5spd]

Bright colors don't look good on the stock ugly calipers. Silver or black, IMHO. Make them look clean, but don't draw the eye.

[m3f_fiveightandten]

I think you just sealed your fate with the yellow painted calipers, clips, and brake pads, friend

Fixed.

[m3f_umichchris]

hahaha i love it.


first forum ive ever been a part of with such negativity. its kind of refreshing & cute. ill continue to share...but knowing that it will only somehow rub you guys the wrong way. i hope your eyes bleed.

[m3f_umichchris]

i know right?!?! its horrible. so sad. if only someone could show them the way...

Kids these days sure know how to ruin cars.

[m3f_haus]

first forum ive ever been a part of with such negativity.

The responses in this thread vs. those on your Bf.c thread are sort of indicative of the audience on each forum (though many of us read both). Many members here tend to react negatively to what most people call "mods" (using big air quotes there) because they don't see fender rolls, painted calipers (etc.), and huge wheels as a "+" in "OEM+". Modding your lights with Bosch projectors is one type of mod (a massive functional improvement, OEM outside the US, and 100% reversible) vs rolling and pulling fenders, which alters the shape of the car (permanently?). The members on Bf.c tend to be more interested in the types of modifications you're making.



So yes, you're probably not going to get a ton of love for some of your mods here, but just understand that it's only due to the general inclination this forum has toward "stock". And while there can be a lot of negativity at times, this board is still (to me) the single best place to find out information and learn how to fix things, even before I crack the Bentley guide.

[m3f_umichchris]

yea, that makes sense. i mod because im an enthusiast. ive owned 5 bmws in my life and never left any of them stock. im not a young kid in school....even if that was the case there's nothing wrong with that either. i think i was taken aback by the reaction....but at the same time i didnt start the thread for praise....just wanted to share and contribute to the board that has given me useful information and even inspiration....gotta pay it back in my own way.





those who dont like it....luckily for them they dont have to drive my car and i dont have to die of boredom in theirs haha

The responses in this thread vs. those on your Bf.c thread are sort of indicative of the audience on each forum (though many of us read both). Many members here tend to react negatively to what most people call "mods" (using big air quotes there) because they don't see fender rolls, painted calipers (etc.), and huge wheels as a "+" in "OEM+". Modding your lights with Bosch projectors is one type of mod (a massive functional improvement, OEM outside the US, and 100% reversible) vs rolling and pulling fenders, which alters the shape of the car (permanently?). The members on Bf.c tend to be more interested in the types of modifications you're making.



So yes, you're probably not going to get a ton of love for some of your mods here, but just understand that it's only due to the general inclination this forum has toward "stock". And while there can be a lot of negativity at times, this board is still (to me) the single best place to find out information and learn how to fix things, even before I crack the Bentley guide.

[m3f_matty.]

Who rolled your fenders? He did a killer job!

I want to know who did the fender rolling as well. Not a fan of 19's on E36's but to each his own. My Cosmo 4/5 high mileage (249k still going strong) machine has e46 M3 rears all the way around in 18 and I do not think one would want to go larger. But that's me and some people frown on low offset 18's on our cars as well. "C'est La Vie"

I'm positive it was Tony. I can vouch for a great guy and great work. He will do as subtle or as drastic as a person wants, but he will always warn of the risk, cons, etc. He happens to be a photographer and writier/ contributor for Performance BMW, and a few of the other rags I'm far to cheap buy at the grocery stand.



http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=165114

[m3f_englishtom1596q]

As someone who is on both forums I know where I belong. The threads on bf.c are just plane retarded half the time. I read the advice people give each other and it explains why so many of these cars end up in scrap yards. As for OP, it hasn't gotten too horrendous yet and at least he's taking care of the maintenance and using quality parts. God damn I did laugh at the painted clips and pads though! That shits funny right there!