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    #16
    I was talking about the high performance cylinder heads. Sorry I know the difference btw headers/exhause manifold. I mean what do you think of the high performance cylinder head.When its time for headers, Im going with AA's setup.

    I really dont see the point of going with one of their cylinder heads....its really an expensive route to eek out very little power. If you are building a higher revving race motor and need to install solid lifters to run up to 7600+ rpms....even then I would probably still just upgrade those parts necessary and not spend the money on a full prepped Stage 3 head...roughly $4k when you figure in the core charge.



    They are available cheaper through www.vacmotorsports.com , and of the same quality..but in reality the stock head is very free-flowing without porting and polishing it or doing a valve job. Also, the fact that the Bekkers head uses Titanium retainers which really shouldnt be run on a street car as they are a wear item, and will need to be replaced after 20K miles or so.



    Unless you are pusihg big boost I really dont see the need for these performance heads. I do see that the Bekkers head raises the compression to 10.8:1 which leads me to believe its also going to require a custom software setup (also the cam profiles arent listed but being as how they are going to be higher lift and duration..you will need a very specific custom software)



    About the AA headers...they arent available any longer. Either Supersprint or KromerKraft are your options for HP producing headers (and the KK headers are more than $2200 all by themselves).

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      #17
      Actually the lowering springs would help as there would be far less motion in the weight transfer over the rear wheels.



      As far as the rest of it..I just took Drifter as being facetious..of course its obvious his current mods wouldnt put him into the low 13s



      Ouch

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        #18
        I thought AA headers were a new item? And what are your takes on the new sunbelt cams?

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          #19
          I thought AA headers were a new item? And what are your takes on the new sunbelt cams?

          AA Headers were a direct copy of the Supersprint headers and therefore AA ran into some legal troubles by selling them. They tried to introduce them in 8/2004 but that was stopped..and then they finally sold the only 10 units they did have made early this year...they will not be making any more or selling any more.



          The Sunbelt cams look pretty nice..though there is no software yet so I cant really give a full review. Its nice that they are able to run up to 7500 rpms while still making power, but I would honestly be a bit nervous about my valvetrain while running the motor that hard. Depending on their price, they might be a great alternative to the Schricks that everyone uses at the momment.

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            #20
            They are $1500 for the cams. And there is a site that has the AA headers in stock right now.

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              #21
              They are $1500 for the cams. And there is a site that has the AA headers in stock right now.

              I dont think that the Cams are even released yet....I dont know where you got your pricing from....www.bimmerworld.com is set to release them once they develop software...right now they are only being test in one race car and are functioning very well.



              Regarding the headers...who has them in stock? I was told by SupaBimmer that they were only making 10 sets..of which he has one. You might want to check with that site to make sure its not just still listed there..though they dont have any stock.

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                #22
                Bimmerworld has the cams are 1500. Also http://www.eurostyleseast.com has the AA header for like $9xx

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                  #23
                  Bimmerworld has the cams are 1500. Also http://www.eurostyleseast.com has the AA header for like $9xx

                  Yes, I know Bimmerworld has them on the site...they are only available for pre-order and they dont even have software which runs them yet...



                  Contact ESE...they only had 2 headers available...EVER...and I think they might have sold them both..if not try and grab them up as they only had those 2 for sale.

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                    #24
                    I have sent them a email so Ill see what they say.

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                      #25
                      So your telling me that the SS headers are the same as the AA headers?

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                        #26
                        You've got it bro! I remember seeing them on that site, but I'm pretty sure when I saw them, they only had one left. I don't think they have them anymore, and yes there were only 10! So cool. lol. If they happen to have one more set, you better hop on them REAL quick!



                        -Eric



                        So your telling me that the SS headers are the same as the AA headers?

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                          #27
                          Depends. If you are able to initiate body roll that allows the weight of the car to roll back onto the rear wheels, you will have gained extra traction and thereby attemp to lower your 1/4 mile time. This is usually the setup you want if you want to lower drag times, otherwise tighten the suspension if you're not trying to achieve lower straight line times.



                          -Eric



                          Actually the lowering springs would help as there would be far less motion in the weight transfer over the rear wheels.



                          As far as the rest of it..I just took Drifter as being facetious..of course its obvious his current mods wouldnt put him into the low 13s

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                            #28
                            I would go cam kit AND twin screw supercharger. Conforti is currently in development of a twin screw supercharger setup that if I'm not mistaken, works in conjunction with their cam kit. The dyno graphs and information look very inticing. I would find it the best bet for overall day-to-day driveability and speed. Check it out here http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/supercharger.html.



                            -Eric



                            I can't decide on if i want to go with a turbo, supercharger or just stick with the engine and go with the cam kit. I'm not looking to make my car a rocket ship but i would like mid to low 13's.

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                              #29
                              I would say that's debatable. Of course the Turbocharger has a better chance of putting out more boost, but I have still seen supercharged M3s putting down a healthy 400rwhp at 10 and 11psi. Also, you have the increased torque on the low end which I would feel would certainly give a Supercharged M3 a boost (no pun intended :thumbsup: ) over the Turbocharged M3 while the Turbo is lagging. Just depends what you're looking for. If you want to go above 400hp, I suppose Turbocharger would be the best bet for you



                              -Eric



                              Mid 13s= Cams

                              Low 13s=Supercharger

                              12s=Turbo..



                              Check the FAQ for a more descriptive writeup.

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                                #30
                                You've got it bro! I remember seeing them on that site, but I'm pretty sure when I saw them, they only had one left. I don't think they have them anymore, and yes there were only 10! So cool. lol. If they happen to have one more set, you better hop on them REAL quick!



                                -Eric

                                I want the headers, but not sure if I want to spend that right now =(

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