G82 and E46 side by side

[usdmej]

what i do know is that the current mirage meets current regulations although its smaller than the e46 m3

do you know that a modern day mirage doesn't outperform an E46 M3?

[lemoose]

that's a weird example then because you could have picked a smaller car. his point was that government regulations make cars bigger which is for the most part true

I dont really follow what the smallest road legal car is year over year but what i do know is that the current mirage meets current regulations although its smaller than the e46 m3. Astute observation, though!

[usdmej]

i didnt use the mirage as an example of a car that hasn't gotten larger throughout the years- i used it as an example against the claim that cars have to be a certain size to meet modern safety regulations.

that's a weird example then because you could have picked a smaller car. his point was that government regulations make cars bigger which is for the most part true

[lemoose]

the mirage, while crappy now, is still way bigger/heavier than previous generations, just like nearly every vehicle sold here

i didnt use the mirage as an example of a car that hasn't gotten larger throughout the years- i used it as an example against the claim that cars have to be a certain size to meet modern safety regulations.

[usdmej]

I love hot takes as much as the next guy, but this one is not even half-baked. You can still buy a facking Mistubishi Mirage in the US and it meets all crash standards and regulations. You cant blame the guvment for everything wrong in the auto world lol.

the mirage, while crappy now, is still way bigger/heavier than previous generations, just like nearly every vehicle sold here

[Mr. Wolfe]

Absolutely laughable, embarrassing, and ridiculous.

Mr. Wolfe

[Oregon]

This appearance thing is a question? The new BMW styling is shit...

[ra2fanatic]

Despite how atrocious the G8x looks, it's gotten a ton of positive accolade. YET despite all that, I think the F87 CS is likely my last M and I'm okay with that. The dimensions are so close to the E46

[sev]

Your right, it was BMW’s golden age the mid 90’s to about mid/late 2000’s. I can’t see BMW ever repeating the amazing vehicles produced during this era. Every vehicle in their lineup was amazing from the e36/e46 3 series to the e38 7 series.

this.

[Nick_P]

I beg to differ, I can’t think of one car that has not gotten larger through the release of newer generations. This is comparing the same car to same car’s newer generations and not comparing one car model to different model. Why is that? The reason is government regulations and safety standards which are to blame. A few inches added through every new generation adds up after a few generations.

Mk5 supra is actually smaller than the mk4 🤔

[Obioban]

It’s not because of crumple zones. It’s competition from from rival companies. Audi claimed 2 more inches in leg room and 1 more inch of head room. Bmw got 2 more liters of trunks space and so forth. Squeezing a little more room while still increasing its efficiency. Making it bigger while reducing its weight and gas usage.

Remind of the g82 weight vs f82? 🤣

[Rkymtnrider]

It’s not because of crumple zones. It’s competition from from rival companies. Audi claimed 2 more inches in leg room and 1 more inch of head room. Bmw got 2 more liters of trunks space and so forth. Squeezing a little more room while still increasing its efficiency. Making it bigger while reducing its weight and gas usage.

[terra]

I beg to differ, I can’t think of one car that has not gotten larger through the release of newer generations. This is comparing the same car to same car’s newer generations and not comparing one car model to different model. Why is that? The reason is government regulations and safety standards which are to blame. A few inches added through every new generation adds up after a few generations.

350z -> 370z?

[lemoose]

Your obsessed with this Mirage example except it’s inaccurate. I tried not responding to you last post but you simply have not accepted anything that has been said to you.

Your Mirage example is incorrect because in 2012 renamed the Mitsubishi Colt as the Mirage. The Mitsubishi Colt was a significantly smaller car than the original Mirage. Which is why the Mirage is a currently a smaller car. 3 minutes of research would have told you that. If you take its cousin the Mitsubishi Lancer, you can clearly see how it’s grown through the generations.

Your argument about a small car is not the point. Of course there will always be small cars. Look at the Smart Car or the Fiat 500, they are much smaller than your Mitsubishi Mirage and are driven on the road. The point is when a car goes through a generational change they have to meet certain requirements set fourth by government standards and regulations than its prior version. Whether it be safety standards, fuel economy standards, or whatever, the cars must meet these standards to be sold. Look at the Smart Car, compare the original Smart Car to its generational replacement which is larger. Why is that, the point of the Smart car is supposed to be as small as possible to be a city vehicle, that’s the cars sole purpose, yet with the release of the newer generation it became larger.

I honestly don’t know what else to say. Myself and like 5-6 other members tried explaining this but you keep bringing up fact patterns that keep getting debunked.

Youre begging the question... Im not offering the mirage as an example that cars dont grow over generations. It clearly shows, however, that a modern car can still conform to all these boogeyman regulations within a small footprint. Crash regulations are the same for any compact, midsize, or full size vehicle- im only aware of different standards for trucks.

so going back to my point- if cars like the mirage can still be sold today and meet crash regulations- then certainly bmw could make a car, say the size of an e46 that is also compliant. Clearly, then, something else is driving the generational growth

[bmw m3 s50]

I remember times when BMW lineup was 3-5-7-Z3-X5 + M3 and M5. That was all. And that was the time they were at their peak, because every model they made was distilled to the very core, not diluted like current "selection".

Your right, it was BMW’s golden age the mid 90’s to about mid/late 2000’s. I can’t see BMW ever repeating the amazing vehicles produced during this era. Every vehicle in their lineup was amazing from the e36/e46 3 series to the e38 7 series.