G82 and E46 side by side

[jet_dogg]

Mods please put this thread out of its misery already.

[usdmej]

So its also a manufacturers choice not to pursue an equal/smaller size next gen. Not entirely govt regs?

Nobody here said it was entirely govt regs

[yhp2009]

The 3 can't be as small as the previous 3s in part because of govt regulations. Almost no manufacturer is able/willing to update an existing car without making it larger, especially if they have an opportunity to move their clients upmarket (larger 3 series) while introducing a new model to replace what the previous gen was (2 series).

The same thing happened to the Honda civic over time with Honda creating a smaller econobox to replace it (the fit). You're never going to see a small civic. Honda can make one (the fit) but they most likely never will

So its also a manufacturers choice not to pursue an equal/smaller size next gen. Not entirely govt regs?

[usdmej]

So the 3 cant be as small as the 2 series due to government regulations- yet the 2 series still meets the same regulations despite being the size of, well, a 2 series?

The 3 can't be as small as the previous 3s in part because of govt regulations. Almost no manufacturer is able/willing to update an existing car without making it larger, especially if they have an opportunity to move their clients upmarket (larger 3 series) while introducing a new model to replace what the previous gen was (2 series).

The same thing happened to the Honda civic over time with Honda creating a smaller econobox to replace it (the fit). You're never going to see a small civic. Honda can make one (the fit) but they most likely never will

[lemoose]

They do. The 3 series was getting so big due to govt regulations that bmw was able to slot in a smaller vehicle, the 2 series. The 3 series will never be as small as the 2 series, and the 2 series will probably grow over time like the 3 series

So the 3 cant be as small as the 2 series due to government regulations- yet the 2 series still meets the same regulations despite being the size of, well, a 2 series?

[usdmej]

So why do these same regulations not apply to the 2 series chassis?

They do. The 3 series was getting so big due to govt regulations that bmw was able to slot in a smaller vehicle, the 2 series. The 3 series will never be as small as the 2 series, and the 2 series will probably grow over time like the 3 series

[bmw m3 s50]

Yes, created because they were never going to make the 3 series that small ever again
govt regulations are definitely a reason the g82 is the size that it is now

Hey piece of advice, just leave it alone. I have stopped responding to his comments because he is obsessed with the mirage and 2 series examples which are not the point. He does not understand the concept of generation differences only car model differences. The majority of cars have gotten bigger because of what you said as well as needing to room to fit more options/tech. Additionally another factor is due to fuel and emissions standards which go off a car’s overall footprint. I mean it’s clear as day that all car manufacturers should be increasing size and weight because that’s how you increase performance and efficiency, isn’t it? Why else would they arbitrarily increase car size, so obvious.

Also to all the members pointing out cars that may have smaller dimensions then their previous generations, nothing is absolute. The vast majority of the newer generation car models is due to the reasons mentioned in this thread.

[lemoose]

Yes, created because they were never going to make the 3 series that small ever again
govt regulations are definitely a reason the g82 is the size that it is now

So why do these same regulations not apply to the 2 series chassis?

[usdmej]

Youre making my point… BMW concurrently sells a 2 series with a 3.0 I6 that meets all these regulations.

Yes, created because they were never going to make the 3 series that small ever again
govt regulations are definitely a reason the g82 is the size that it is now

[lemoose]

current govt regulations most definitely contribute to the 3 series being the size it is.
just look how cars need to have crumple ones for when they crash into pedestrians. if bmw sticks with the same inline 6, that means they have to increase the space inbetween the engine and hood/bumper. the car gets larger in the front and they definitely will make it bigger everywhere else to match. manufactures almost never make the next generation of a vehicle smaller. they usually introduce a smaller vehicle to fill the gap created (2 series)

Youre making my point… BMW concurrently sells a 2 series with a 3.0 I6 that meets all these regulations.

[jet_dogg]

Here we go again...

[usdmej]

Dude my only point is that the g82 size isnt due to safety requirements

current govt regulations most definitely contribute to the 3 series being the size it is.
just look how cars need to have crumple ones for when they crash into pedestrians. if bmw sticks with the same inline 6, that means they have to increase the space inbetween the engine and hood/bumper. the car gets larger in the front and they definitely will make it bigger everywhere else to match. manufactures almost never make the next generation of a vehicle smaller. they usually introduce a smaller vehicle to fill the gap created (2 series)

[rbg]

Unfortunately it is very difficult to capture it by taking a photo of side by side parked cars, depends on angle so much… I tried it and can make either look bigger or smaller.

[Syfon]

They keep getting bigger with every generation

[lemoose]

do you know that a modern day mirage doesn't outperform an E46 M3?

Dude my only point is that the g82 size isnt due to safety requirements