Csl for sale in Vancouver

[01SG]

I said the "experience" not building a csl. You seem to be arguing building an actual csl where I said replicating the experience. If you were a blind folded passenger you would not be able to tell a difference between a csl and one of the guys rides here.

I love how some people think these are mystical cars made by some bmw voodoo but it's just a lightweight m3 folks with cool parts. I love the csl as much as anyone here and, again, yes it is a collectible that will fetch high dollars.

The experience of having an ultra exclusive, super low mileage car with pristine build quality from the factory cannot be replicated for any small amount of money.

And a Singer? They are what, more than five times the cost of what an original 964 sold for brand new? Far more than this CSL which merely doubled in value.

The fact is, this is not only a CSL, but also a very low mileage E46. To replicate it would cost a hell of a lot, and any gulf in the price between that Frankenstein and a real CSL would be saved on resale value. Sorry, no one here has a more special E46 M3.

[repoman89]

I'm sure they get close, but it's just not the same thing, not an original factory car. A Shelby Cobra replica can be made to drive better than the original, but which is really more special?

I’ll take the one that drives better, don’t really care about what factory it was made in. There’s no reason at all that good aftermarket work can’t match or exceed the quality of what they did at the factory. Look at Singer 964s. Similarly there’s no reason at all that a company like Karbonius for example can’t match or exceed the quality of OE CSL air boxes or roofs. It’s just carbon fiber and manufacturing it has come a long way in 20 years.

Remember that “real” CSLs will still rip out their rear floors and possibly grenade their engines with broken VANOS tabs. In both cases aftermarket reinforcements and fixes exceed the quality of parts and construction that came out of the factory, so why not a few go fast and weight savings parts too.

I am not a collector though. On a car like this one a RACP reinforcement would probably reduce its value

[jet_dogg]

Our definitions of 'easily replicable' differ. The airbox alone would be ten grand, on top of a super low mileage donor, that's 50 grand right there. And no matter what, it will never be a factory original car, and would never have the same finish or original history that's important in a collectible.

As for weight savings; how much of it is low hanging fruit that can either be stripped from the CSL, or disturbs the weight balance?

I said the "experience" not building a csl. You seem to be arguing building an actual csl where I said replicating the experience. If you were a blind folded passenger you would not be able to tell a difference between a csl and one of the guys rides here.

I love how some people think these are mystical cars made by some bmw voodoo but it's just a lightweight m3 folks with cool parts. I love the csl as much as anyone here and, again, yes it is a collectible that will fetch high dollars.

[Estoril]

I do wonder what the driving experience is like but I do have to agree, it can’t be that much better some of the well modified cars here. But, no one is paying 170k for this because of the driving experience, surely a GT3 is better in every way and makes sense for all of us. Its interesting why cars like this suddenly become worth so much other than FOmO and some recent publicity, or maybe at the time people thought BMW would build amazing NA cars forever. Whatever the reason, 10 years ago no one really had a hard on like this for the CSL (and a few years ago they were 30k in the uk). Still, if an e39 M5 sold for 200k, this is worth 500k by that standard.

People want:

1. What they can't have
2. What others don't have

[01SG]

I think we are pretty lucky with the E46 chassis to be able to convincingly replicate the CSL experience with a medium-sized handful of choice mods. Many members here have proven that there's a whole lot of weight to be lost without decreasing the functionality of the car in any way.

A quality replica airbox is close enough to the real deal for it to not matter at all with respect to the driving experience. Same goes for the CF roof. In fact with the $100k difference between a really nice normal M3 and this car ... I think one could build up a lighter and better driving car than the real CSL while still keeping it a perfectly functional four passenger street car (suspension, brakes, extra N/A power and revs are a few easy improvement areas off the top of my head).

However as many have pointed out that isn't the point, and I'd take the real CSL over even a GT3 given the choice.

I'm sure they get close, but it's just not the same thing, not an original factory car. A Shelby Cobra replica can be made to drive better than the original, but which is really more special?

[01SG]

The experience is easily replicable with weight reduction and parts, it's still a production car.

Our definitions of 'easily replicable' differ. The airbox alone would be ten grand, on top of a super low mileage donor, that's 50 grand right there. And no matter what, it will never be a factory original car, and would never have the same finish or original history that's important in a collectible.

As for weight savings; how much of it is low hanging fruit that can either be stripped from the CSL, or disturbs the weight balance?

[jet_dogg]

The CSL is far more special than any garden variety m3...especially if it has been manual swapped. The airbox and several hundred pounds of lost weight are huge improvements each alone. It's like comparing a basic 911 to a gt3. You cannot turn a normal m3 into a CSL with a few mods. A replica airbox still isn't even the real deal. And how could you possibly lose the weight without making the car a mess? The CSL is much more special and surely a much better drive.

The car is worth whatever anyone will pay for it. Used cars are inflated, plus this is an iconic collectible.

No, it's like comparing a gt3rs to a gt3. The experience is easily replicable with weight reduction and parts, it's still a production car.

Nobody is arguing it's not an iconic collectible.

[repoman89]

You cannot turn a normal m3 into a CSL with a few mods. A replica airbox still isn't even the real deal. And how could you possibly lose the weight without making the car a mess?

I think we are pretty lucky with the E46 chassis to be able to convincingly replicate the CSL experience with a medium-sized handful of choice mods. Many members here have proven that there's a whole lot of weight to be lost without decreasing the functionality of the car in any way.

A quality replica airbox is close enough to the real deal for it to not matter at all with respect to the driving experience. Same goes for the CF roof. In fact with the $100k difference between a really nice normal M3 and this car ... I think one could build up a lighter and better driving car than the real CSL while still keeping it a perfectly functional four passenger street car (suspension, brakes, extra N/A power and revs are a few easy improvement areas off the top of my head).

However as many have pointed out that isn't the point, and I'd take the real CSL over even a GT3 given the choice.

[Duck360198]

The CSL is far more special than any garden variety m3...especially if it has been manual swapped. The airbox and several hundred pounds of lost weight are huge improvements each alone. It's like comparing a basic 911 to a gt3. You cannot turn a normal m3 into a CSL with a few mods. A replica airbox still isn't even the real deal. And how could you possibly lose the weight without making the car a mess? The CSL is much more special and surely a much better drive.

"Iconic" is exactly it. Both the E9 and E46 CSL's are purpose-built cars meant for the track and really showcased what BMW could do at the time. Those cars will NEVER lose that status...regardless of whether or not the SMG was the right transmission to put in that car. And to be quite honest, in today's world, it would be an insult for BMW to slap a "CSL" badge on anything built today. Reserving naming rights for an M8 CSL? Yeah ok. I've been in a fully modified to CSL-spec M3 and it was definitely a different driving experience compared to mine. It was incredible. The seats alone are an experience. Give me a stripper CSL with no radio, no AC, no NOTHING....that would be a pretty fun experience in my book.

[BMWahba]

I wonder if anyone will bring this to the USA, might be able to using it as a show and display.

[yhp2009]

Basically paying for something quite rare. The right mix of "want" and rarity is probably the biggest driving force in the high end market.

[Icecream]

I mean it's cool, but to me at least a car is only worth the experience it brings. I understand that the person who buys this doesn't care that a normal e46 with some mods would bring the same if not a better driving experience, but to me that is missing the point of cars and driving. Aside from some.cosmetic stuff and the rarity factor, if you think about it, it's not really much more special than most of our cars on here. Even if I had loads of money, it would be hard to justify. And yeah, I get that someone with the funds for this probably doesn't care and it will probably sit in their air conditioned garage to collect value.

I do wonder what the driving experience is like but I do have to agree, it can’t be that much better some of the well modified cars here. But, no one is paying 170k for this because of the driving experience, surely a GT3 is better in every way and makes sense for all of us. Its interesting why cars like this suddenly become worth so much other than FOmO and some recent publicity, or maybe at the time people thought BMW would build amazing NA cars forever. Whatever the reason, 10 years ago no one really had a hard on like this for the CSL (and a few years ago they were 30k in the uk). Still, if an e39 M5 sold for 200k, this is worth 500k by that standard.

[01SG]

The CSL is far more special than any garden variety m3...especially if it has been manual swapped. The airbox and several hundred pounds of lost weight are huge improvements each alone. It's like comparing a basic 911 to a gt3. You cannot turn a normal m3 into a CSL with a few mods. A replica airbox still isn't even the real deal. And how could you possibly lose the weight without making the car a mess? The CSL is much more special and surely a much better drive.

The car is worth whatever anyone will pay for it. Used cars are inflated, plus this is an iconic collectible.

And what is with the Porsche lust? I'd have a 550 Maranello at that price point.

[fullyflaredd]

I mean it's cool, but to me at least a car is only worth the experience it brings. I understand that the person who buys this doesn't care that a normal e46 with some mods would bring the same if not a better driving experience, but to me that is missing the point of cars and driving. Aside from some.cosmetic stuff and the rarity factor, if you think about it, it's not really much more special than most of our cars on here. Even if I had loads of money, it would be hard to justify. And yeah, I get that someone with the funds for this probably doesn't care and it will probably sit in their air conditioned garage to collect value.

[wahsm]

I may have to swing by and actually check this thing out. Used car prices are crazy right now. Would rather spend that kind of money or a used GT series Porsche. Not surprised this is in Vancouver though, it will sell close to that price locally I bet.