Arizona Smog Test - Failed

[Tbonem3]

Is that one of the 8 we dont need? AZ could be different.

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Ya, and I thought CA or east coast was the most strict.
EGT was removed as well. And I think there might be one more.

But we can't even have 1 inc for emissions monitoring like many states/counties can.

[BubbaTree]

Schwaben manual question - learn as you go, kinda how your learned to use computers or smart phones - click and see what happens. I've been through several versions of the orange Foxwell units and black Schwaben units. They all do something a bit different even on same version of software. Some functions/activities are not properly named or mapped in the ui.

To open the communication port with obd2, key has to be in position 2 (car doesn't need to be running).


For EVAP - make sure tank is >3/4 full. Hopefully your gas tank cap has a good seal. Start the car from cold (let it sit overnight, coolant has to be below 122F), then let car idle for about 5 minutes.

SAP - same testing conditions - when car is started from cold and idle for few mins (before it goes closed loop).

Barring software/hardware issues, both EVAP and SAP "should" set on the same cold start of the car, they dont need to be 2 separate cold starts.

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Thanks for the update. The smog shop handout is a 9 step drive cycle they want followed. If that's necessary, I'll get to it after I check out the SAP for leaks, etc. I was away for 2 months with the car in my garage, maybe a critter got to the wiring or something.
Just for information, since the first visit to the smog shop where the car failed to communicate, none of the instrument cluster lights have returned. While in the hands of that smog tech, the DSC and brake warning lights came on, and were out by the time I drove 20 minutes to get home. Just sayin' !
Thanks, again guys.

[mrgizmo04]

Is that one of the 8 we dont need? AZ could be different.

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[Tbonem3]

Who cares about evap if smog test doesn't fail for it

[mrgizmo04]

Schwaben manual question - learn as you go, kinda how your learned to use computers or smart phones - click and see what happens. I've been through several versions of the orange Foxwell units and black Schwaben units. They all do something a bit different even on same version of software. Some functions/activities are not properly named or mapped in the ui.

To open the communication port with obd2, key has to be in position 2 (car doesn't need to be running).


For EVAP - make sure tank is >3/4 full. Hopefully your gas tank cap has a good seal. Start the car from cold (let it sit overnight, coolant has to be below 122F), then let car idle for about 5 minutes.

SAP - same testing conditions - when car is started from cold and idle for few mins (before it goes closed loop).

Barring software/hardware issues, both EVAP and SAP "should" set on the same cold start of the car, they dont need to be 2 separate cold starts.

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[jbfrancis3]

Checked for I/M Readiness, and here's what showed: Evaporative System Monitoring, INC.; Secondary Air System Monitoring, INC. All other modules showed either OK or N/A. I'll be doing more research about how to proceed, meanwhile, as always, and experienced advice is welcome.
Thanks!

The vehicle should be running. Also, didn’t achieve EVAP readiness until I refilled the tank with fuel.

[Tbonem3]

You don't need evap to work. Most done at this point in the cars' life.

You do need SAP to be working. Your air pump (the black round thing in front of coolant exp tank) could be bad or unplugged or wires chewed.

[BubbaTree]

In Schwaben, when you first connect it and it powers up, instead of going to the "BMW" application, go to "OBD2". From there, go to "I/M Readiness" and see what that says.

Depending on which monitor is not set or incomplete, will depend on what you do next for the "drive cycle", i.e. SAP monitor (as example) DOESN'T require you to drive the car at 55mph for 20mins to set, because that is not how/when that part of the monitor test is carried out.

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Checked for I/M Readiness, and here's what showed: Evaporative System Monitoring, INC.; Secondary Air System Monitoring, INC. All other modules showed either OK or N/A. I'll be doing more research about how to proceed, meanwhile, as always, and experienced advice is welcome.
Thanks!

[BubbaTree]

Here's the info I got from the AZ smog guys regarding their widget. FYI that gadget has not yet worked in my car. It only shows dark with none of the colored lights showing. I'll again got to the smog shop to see if the widget is dead, etc.

[BubbaTree]

In Schwaben, when you first connect it and it powers up, instead of going to the "BMW" application, go to "OBD2". From there, go to "I/M Readiness" and see what that says.

Depending on which monitor is not set or incomplete, will depend on what you do next for the "drive cycle", i.e. SAP monitor (as example) DOESN'T require you to drive the car at 55mph for 20mins to set, because that is not how/when that part of the monitor test is carried out.

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Thanks! I'll give this a go later this evening. I assume this test is performed key on, engine off?
Separately, the user manual I received with the scanner is pretty much generic. Are you aware of a more specific manual for this Pro scanner, or is it just learn by doing?
Thanks again!

[BubbaTree]

[QUOTE=ELEM3NT;n120525]Interested to know more about said 'widget'. Fwiw, every test I've had done in AZ has been with car off. Smog tech has always asked me to turn the vehicle off, then takes the keys, tests, etc.

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Try out this link. My previous experience with AZ smog here in the Phoenix area is similar to yours. Show up, shut up, and pay the fee. This time the guy wanted the engine running, and it all went to hell. Even the help-line guy said they don't know much about the latest system. Who knows? Later tonite, I'll find the paper handout for that "Ready Checker" and try to pass it on.

http://myazcar.com/

[ELEM3NT]

Interested to know more about said 'widget'. Fwiw, every test I've had done in AZ has been with car off. Smog tech has always asked me to turn the vehicle off, then takes the keys, tests, etc.

[mrgizmo04]

In Schwaben, when you first connect it and it powers up, instead of going to the "BMW" application, go to "OBD2". From there, go to "I/M Readiness" and see what that says.

Depending on which monitor is not set or incomplete, will depend on what you do next for the "drive cycle", i.e. SAP monitor (as example) DOESN'T require you to drive the car at 55mph for 20mins to set, because that is not how/when that part of the monitor test is carried out.

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[BubbaTree]

The “drive cycles” usually set the monitors. Often done when not triggering or cleared recently.
Unable to communicating to/through the port is different (if that’s what test station said was reason). For instance your monitors could all be triggered and set but if unable to communicate the test can’t read this.

Here is my old OBD Fusion reader when my cats weren’t setting. I had to do drive cycles to finally trigger. *of note AZ might check less monitors, this is just an example

Thanks for the input. In reviewing the smog report, the only "FAIL" note is MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LIGHT (MIL) STATUS - NO COMMUNICATION: FAIL My scanner is Schwaben Pro, and I'm not sure if it can show me the info shown by your Fusion. Meanwhile, anyone have advise about dealing with that MIL light? I just checked fault codes with that scanner, and there are no engine related faults showing. Thanks again.

[old///MFanatic]

The “drive cycles” usually set the monitors. Often done when not triggering or cleared recently.
Unable to communicating to/through the port is different (if that’s what test station said was reason). For instance your monitors could all be triggered and set but if unable to communicate the test can’t read this.

Here is my old OBD Fusion reader when my cats weren’t setting. I had to do drive cycles to finally trigger. *of note AZ might check less monitors, this is just an example