Are ZCP M3's less desirable than normal ones?

[Toby22]

I’d rather have an LSB or PY standard m3 than a ZCP IB. But, zcp in general sells for more in the used market from what I’m seeing

[jet_dogg]

I think more desirable as a piece of BMW history ("baby CSL") but kind of a waste to mod if you're going to change out a lot. Definitely BaT bait.

Baby csl without the carbon roof, airbox, pole positions, cfrp trunk, cfrp bumper, thinner glass, less airbags/sound deadening/weight, bigger roll bars, different kingpins...wait actually nothing csl about it!

[ridebikes]

...wait actually nothing csl about it!

✅ Limited production run
✅ Bigger brakes
✅ Bigger wheels
✅ Faster steering

From the M3 Registry:

What is the E46 M3 Competition Package?

The Competition package known by the internal designation "ZCP", was introduced in December of 2004 as an option for the E46 M3 coupe. It consisted of the following equipment
➡️➡️➡️(most of which is derived from that of the limited-production M3 CSL): ⬅️⬅️⬅️
- Cross Drilled Rotors (enlarged to 13.7 inches in front) with two-piece compound rotors (aluminum hat and outer portion connected by steel pins)
-Steering ratio reduced to 14.5:1
-M Track Mode setting for Dynamic Stability Control (raises—but does not eliminate—the threshold at which the DSC intervenes)
-19-inch cross-spoke alloy wheels (8x19-inch front, 9.5x19-inch rear)
-Alcantara-wrapped M three-spoke steering wheel with M Track Mode activation button (audio and cruise control buttons deleted)
-Specific aluminum interior trim with milled effect
-Exclusive Interlagos Blue metallic (A30) paint option

Dawg, it is not a spicy take that the ZCP has a pinch of CSL-ness to it.

You must be a hit at parties though.

[jet_dogg]

✅ Limited production run
✅ Bigger brakes
✅ Bigger wheels
✅ Faster steering

From the M3 Registry:
What is the E46 M3 Competition Package?

The Competition package known by the internal designation "ZCP", was introduced in December of 2004 as an option for the E46 M3 coupe. It consisted of the following equipment
➡️➡️➡️(most of which is derived from that of the limited-production M3 CSL): ⬅️⬅️⬅️
- Cross Drilled Rotors (enlarged to 13.7 inches in front) with two-piece compound rotors (aluminum hat and outer portion connected by steel pins)
-Steering ratio reduced to 14.5:1
-M Track Mode setting for Dynamic Stability Control (raises—but does not eliminate—the threshold at which the DSC intervenes)
-19-inch cross-spoke alloy wheels (8x19-inch front, 9.5x19-inch rear)
-Alcantara-wrapped M three-spoke steering wheel with M Track Mode activation button (audio and cruise control buttons deleted)
-Specific aluminum interior trim with milled effect
-Exclusive Interlagos Blue metallic (A30) paint option

Dawg, it is not a spicy take that the ZCP has a pinch of CSL-ness to it.

You must be a hit at parties though.

Sooo it doesn't have any of the defining characteristics that make a csl a csl that I listed above but hey its got the rack and bigger shitty stock brakes, got it!

Well then that proves...nothing. Track mode traction control lmao.

Sorry holmes, sick original burn though!

[Nate047]

I don't think it matters unless you really want IB or want a car to look at and never drive and ultimately sell.

[Maxima SE]

Whether ZCP is more desirable or not is all subjective. What's not subjective is the fact that it is already considered cream of the crop E46 M3 and demands a premium. I don't personally care for the steering wheel or the brakes but the wheels, dash trim and Interlagos are sweet. You get even less with the ZCP package in the E92.

[jvit27]

I've owned both - driving them back to back is more placebo than anything. Steering rack is the only feature truly worth it's weight; the wheels, dash trim, and IB paint is purely subjective. Buttons on the wheel are nice IMO.

Odds are if you've made it onto this forum, you're either modding or DIY anyways. Replacing the standard rotors with 2pc drilled Zimmermans is nothing more than a maintenance item anyways, and if you have an 03.5/mk60 you can code in the MTM.

ZCP will absolutely add a layer of collectibility though. If that's your thing, have fun playing that game. If I were ordering one today i'd rather spend that money on an Individual color option every single time.

[usdmej]

a car to look at and never drive and ultimately sell.

which means it will be more desirable to collectors, ultimately more valuable


IB with cinammon interior and the unique ZCP 19s is peak american market M3 from bmw, outside of the forums, nobody really cares about the superior enthusiast curated mods out there

[terra]

From a functional perspective, the advantages to the ZCP are the steering rack, the CSL DSC module (supposedly has differently tuned ABS in addition to the M-track), and arguably the brakes. I’ve retrofitted all of the above to my car (well a ZHP rack instead of ZCP, but close enough) and do think it would have been nice to just have all that in the beginning.

From a cosmetic perspective, having IB, shadowline trim, and the interior trim would have been nice.

[lemoose]

From a functional perspective, the advantages to the ZCP are the steering rack, the CSL DSC module (supposedly has differently tuned ABS in addition to the M-track), and arguably the brakes. I’ve retrofitted all of the above to my car (well a ZHP rack instead of ZCP, but close enough) and do think it would have been nice to just have all that in the beginning.

From a cosmetic perspective, having IB, shadowline trim, and the interior trim would have been nice.

How would you describe the behavior of standard dsc/ traction vs m track? Ive always been curious how much subjectively percentage more wheelslip it seems allows, or if it at least is less abrubt and boggy

[MTiz]

No cruise control is a deal-breaker for me as I use that all the time when I'm not spiritedly driving. Admittedly Interlagos is probably in my top 5, if not top 3 colors for this car.

[Slicktop]

If you are talking about today, Interlagos Blue is the only driving price factor for the ZCP cars. Nowadays you can turn any M3 into a ZCP or better with the amount of aftermarket support these cars have. If you look at ZCP sales, IB has a far above average vs other color ZCP cars and normal coupes.

Overall for me I stuck to normal coupe to make infinitely better than any factory car produced

[Toby22]

✅ Limited production run
✅ Bigger brakes
✅ Bigger wheels
✅ Faster steering

From the M3 Registry:

What is the E46 M3 Competition Package?

The Competition package known by the internal designation "ZCP", was introduced in December of 2004 as an option for the E46 M3 coupe. It consisted of the following equipment
➡️➡️➡️(most of which is derived from that of the limited-production M3 CSL): ⬅️⬅️⬅️
- Cross Drilled Rotors (enlarged to 13.7 inches in front) with two-piece compound rotors (aluminum hat and outer portion connected by steel pins)
-Steering ratio reduced to 14.5:1
-M Track Mode setting for Dynamic Stability Control (raises—but does not eliminate—the threshold at which the DSC intervenes)
-19-inch cross-spoke alloy wheels (8x19-inch front, 9.5x19-inch rear)
-Alcantara-wrapped M three-spoke steering wheel with M Track Mode activation button (audio and cruise control buttons deleted)
-Specific aluminum interior trim with milled effect
-Exclusive Interlagos Blue metallic (A30) paint option

Dawg, it is not a spicy take that the ZCP has a pinch of CSL-ness to it.

You must be a hit at parties though.

They do share rear wheels. Same part# if remember right. So there is some CSL to it. More than a standard one at least

[Altaran]

To me it's useless.

I looked at one offered at a good price before I bought the one I still have in 2014 but all the "upgrades" are not worth it to me:

- suspension is just outdated. Get quality aftermarket and you have a way better ride
- brakes are still shitty 1 piston moving caliper.
- steering rack is an easy swap and there are many options available to find whichever ratio works bet for you
- don't care for m track mode. Don't want any electronic aids on track.

But... If you are concerned with resale value, it certainly doesn't hurt to have IB and shadowline.

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[big greasy taco]

This thread is pointless. Yes, of course the ZCP is more desirable. They sell for significant premiums over base cars. Doesnt matter what extra "features" they have and if you think they are worth it or not. End of the day its considered the pinnacle of the north american e46 by the market and prices reflect that