What’s Up NAM3F - E46M to G82M

[kaiv]

I did the same thing with an M2C. Purchased brandy new in 2020. Sold that pile after 9 months and went back to an e46 M.

Why did you think it was a 'pile?' haha I had a M2C, and got rid of it after 2 years, could never really love it

Ahah. Add me to the list but with a F80 ZCP. Lasted a year.

[EthanolTurbo]

Curb weight is closer to 3900 lbs.

I drove one and the S58 is breathtaking! Kind of like the E9X M3, it's at another level over 80mph but the G8X keeps going and going. The interior is really, really busy, its like the spaceship version of the F8X...both iDrive versions. Unlike the F8X, the G8X is really comfortable during normal street driving.

There's one hang up with me...its so ugly. Hideous and hasn't grown on me at all since it came out.

I've instructed in a couple of G8Xs, I don't think it's as fast around the track as an F8X in stock form. It seems like a real handful especially if its in sport or sport +. Maybe its the drivers but we seem to get passed a lot for it being an M car. In the past, M cars in all run groups were at the front of the pack.

No, it's not. A manual RWD G82 is 3660 lbs with a half tank of gas. You're thinking of an automatic xDrive G8x.

[01SG]

No, it's not. A manual RWD G82 is 3660 lbs with a half tank of gas. You're thinking of an automatic xDrive G8x.

The CSL is listed as 3580 pounds. No way any standard car is anywhere close. Where did you get that figure, the g80 forum?

Besides, 200 pounds is significant itself. 3-400 is huge. The g80 dimensions also make the e46 look small, and that matters a lot on a back road.

As for BMW performance in the modern era...the E46 CSL was comparable to the 996 GT3 and Corvette z06 around the Nurburgring. The modern car isn't even as fast-and not even close-as the prior generation GT3/hot Corvette.

[EthanolTurbo]

The CSL is listed as 3580 pounds. No way any standard car is anywhere close. Where did you get that figure, the g80 forum?

Besides, 200 pounds is significant itself. 3-400 is huge. The g80 dimensions also make the e46 look small, and that matters a lot on a back road.

As for BMW performance in the modern era...the E46 CSL was comparable to the 996 GT3 and Corvette z06 around the Nurburgring. The modern car isn't even as fast-and not even close-as the prior generation GT3/hot Corvette.

If a G80 M3 Competition xdrive is 3950ish lbs

-200ish removing tbe AWD system
-60 lbs removing the automatic

That's 260 lbs.

3950 - 260 lbs = 3690

Adjust the gas weight and you're between 3650 - 3730 lbs depending on options. G82 M4 CSL has an automatic so that's a 60 lb weight penalty.

[mr pete]

These cars get heavier with every future iteration. The F87 M2 comp weighed 3600 lbs. Even the E46 M3 weighed 3400-3500.

I thought G8x would be significantly more. Google says:

G82 CSL: 3640
G82 Comp: 3880
G82 manual: 3690
G80 Comp: 3890
G80 manual: 3700

Still fantastic cars considering the weight.

[bimmerfan08]

You'll be back.

They always come back lol

Thanks for the chuckle. Much truth to this.

[dukeofchen]

As for BMW performance in the modern era...the E46 CSL was comparable to the 996 GT3 and Corvette z06 around the Nurburgring. The modern car isn't even as fast-and not even close-as the prior generation GT3/hot Corvette.

To the extent that Nurburgring lap times are more than a vanity metric, the standard G82 vs. equivalent 911 are really not that far off. And with a modern GT3 going for over $200k off the lot (if you can bribe your way onto the list), they just aren't competing in the same weight class anymore at the upper extremes.

I suppose you could fault BMW for not trying to stay in that game over the years, but it is what it is and the two companies just have different priorities. Porsche has long been a pure performance brand, and BMW has always been a consumer brand that makes hot versions of their cars, even if the E46 CSL briefly topped the pile.

[01SG]

To the extent that Nurburgring lap times are more than a vanity metric, the standard G82 vs. equivalent 911 are really not that far off. And with a modern GT3 going for over $200k off the lot (if you can bribe your way onto the list), they just aren't competing in the same weight class anymore at the upper extremes.

I suppose you could fault BMW for not trying to stay in that game over the years, but it is what it is and the two companies just have different priorities. Porsche has long been a pure performance brand, and BMW has always been a consumer brand that makes hot versions of their cars, even if the E46 CSL briefly topped the pile.

Nurburgring times are certainly a flawed metric, but I don't know of any other that provides a time for almost every car. And I see the g80 CS is slower than the 2017 991 GTS, let alone the modern car, albeit barely.

I do fault BMW, but obviously it was the right business decision considering their sales are through the roof and nobody cares about sports cars anymore. And it's not like it was just with the e46. The e90 and even f80 were comparable. Probably the e36 and prior too.

And Porsche hasn't been a pure performance brand since the 80s. Cayenne, Taycan, Macan, and Panamera make for far more sales than 911/Box/Cayman.

[MTiz]

Ahah. Add me to the list but with a F80 ZCP. Lasted a year.

What didn't you love about yours? I'm 6 months in and absolutely love mine. Personally never got the "too much power for the street" argument. With new PS4s in the back I never felt like I was struggling for traction.

Once I went stage 2 + e85 however... 😅

[MTiz]

OP, you'll be back. Seen it time and time again, lol. Never selling mine

[dukeofchen]

Nurburgring times are certainly a flawed metric, but I don't know of any other that provides a time for almost every car. And I see the g80 CS is slower than the 2017 991 GTS, let alone the modern car, albeit barely.

I do fault BMW, but obviously it was the right business decision considering their sales are through the roof and nobody cares about sports cars anymore. And it's not like it was just with the e46. The e90 and even f80 were comparable. Probably the e36 and prior too.

And Porsche hasn't been a pure performance brand since the 80s. Cayenne, Taycan, Macan, and Panamera make for far more sales than 911/Box/Cayman.

Yeah M has certainly come to signify something different, with every new generation being a blank slate that must meet non-M consumer needs first. Whereas the 911 just been refined for decades with all the new tech masterfully weaved in.

Ultimately though, the real comps for a G8x are equivalent sport coupe offerings from Merc, Audi, etc.

Blew my mind when I looked it up but even a base 911 starts at $120k these days, and realistically it'll be almost double the MSRP of a new G8x since literally everything is an added option on those things. To your point though, as a buyer an older 911 would be the performance upgrade more in line with the formula that BMW left behind.

[kaiv]

What didn't you love about yours? I'm 6 months in and absolutely love mine. Personally never got the "too much power for the street" argument. With new PS4s in the back I never felt like I was struggling for traction.

Once I went stage 2 + e85 however... 😅

The chassis was phenomenal and the engine a powerhouse but I could never fall in love despite how much I wanted to. You just can't force these things. Didn't matter how good the car was objectively, it just lacks in the emotion department and other subjective intengibles like feel etc IMHO. I'm much happier driving the older cars even though they are undeniably slower and less capable.

Don't think I've ever posted it so I attached a pic. Def a looker though!

[oceansize]

What didn't you love about yours? I'm 6 months in and absolutely love mine. Personally never got the "too much power for the street" argument. With new PS4s in the back I never felt like I was struggling for traction.

Once I went stage 2 + e85 however... 😅

I live in a rural area. Hardcore twisties everywhere. I’m not skilled enough to push a 500 hp car on my local roads. This is far far removed from city driving. This is slow car fast territory.

[mr pete]

The chassis was phenomenal and the engine a powerhouse but I could never fall in love despite how much I wanted to. You just can't force these things. Didn't matter how good the car was objectively, it just lacks in the emotion department and other subjective intengibles like feel etc IMHO. I'm much happier driving the older cars even though they are undeniably slower and less capable.

Don't think I've ever posted it so I attached a pic. Def a looker though!

I agree. I’ve tired the higher horsepower turbo cars and they didn’t do anything for me. I’m absolutely in love with older cars with N.A. power, hydraulic steering, less traction control, less electronics, and more oh shit moments around corners.

I was driving my E46 around today and it was so fun to wring it out. Even though it’s so slow haha

[Tbonem3]

It's the souless aspect of the car I hated most. And then the too busy interior. Steering was the most lacking feel imo.