Turner CSL style airbox, pros and cons?

[S14]

I've had the TMS box on my car for probably 2 years now and won't be getting rid of it anytime soon, but I don't love it.

spent a few years in Germany and got a few dozen laps riding in real CSL's around the ring as well as countless hours listening to them from the sidelines. I've had S14 motors with DTM airboxes, prototyped the S38 carbon airbox and have had 3 carbon airboxes on euro S50 powerplants... I'm hooked by the noise to say the least. To me, the Turner airbox on my car is missing that special bark. The fit and finish is good, the filter fits well, my bottom pins have lasted 12-15 removal/installations, but it just doesn't sound right. Besides the airbox, I have ebay headers, Rogue Engineering Rasp-x form Bimmerworld and OE CSL section 2 & section 3. I'm not sure if it's the big opening that removes some of the honk sounds or a different thickness in the airbox walls that dampens the sounds, but it doesn't have the same sound.

Also, it rubs on the RE strut brace and is a pain to wiggle in/out and the car drones a bit at cruising speeds

If I were to do it again, I'd go Karbonus with a working flap.

[YoungDinosaur]

Ugh, this is the first review that I’ve read that is really making me consider that the discount isn’t worth it. Darn you! 🤣

[Slideways]

I've had the TMS box on my car for probably 2 years now and won't be getting rid of it anytime soon, but I don't love it.

spent a few years in Germany and got a few dozen laps riding in real CSL's around the ring as well as countless hours listening to them from the sidelines. I've had S14 motors with DTM airboxes, prototyped the S38 carbon airbox and have had 3 carbon airboxes on euro S50 powerplants... I'm hooked by the noise to say the least. To me, the Turner airbox on my car is missing that special bark. The fit and finish is good, the filter fits well, my bottom pins have lasted 12-15 removal/installations, but it just doesn't sound right. Besides the airbox, I have ebay headers, Rogue Engineering Rasp-x form Bimmerworld and OE CSL section 2 & section 3. I'm not sure if it's the big opening that removes some of the honk sounds or a different thickness in the airbox walls that dampens the sounds, but it doesn't have the same sound.

Also, it rubs on the RE strut brace and is a pain to wiggle in/out and the car drones a bit at cruising speeds

If I were to do it again, I'd go Karbonus with a working flap.

It's the thickness. The noise is not far off, but it does sound a little more cold air intake-like rather than the brutal CSL bark.

[discoelk]

Karb quality gets no complaints and they stand behind their products. The strong US dollar makes it cheaper now than ever.

Even if Turner/ecs have fixed the issues, I truly don't understand why you'd buy it over Karb. It's not really that much cheaper than the Karb race box.

[fattycharged]

This is why I have a hard time moving away from the franken box I have… glass fiber and the “bark” is better than any cf box I've had the chance to witness.


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[Chas3n]

I've been running one for the last 4 years. There have been no issues with it. I understand now that ECS has had issues, but I haven't experienced any since October of 20 when I installed mine, and I drive my car very hard every time its taken out of the garage.

[Pklauser]

Karb quality gets no complaints and they stand behind their products. The strong US dollar makes it cheaper now than ever.

Even if Turner/ecs have fixed the issues, I truly don't understand why you'd buy it over Karb. It's not really that much cheaper than the Karb race box.

I hear this sentiment get tossed around, but can we quantify it? I'd like to understand if I'm missing something, because the difference seems significant.

This Turner deal is: $1566.99
As far as I can tell, Karbonius bought through IND is $2249 - https://ind-distribution.com/collect...on-airbox-race

That's a difference of $682.01, 30% less than the Karbonius price. Shipping from IND is $20 to me, so negligible.


Can you still buy Karbonius stuff direct from them? If so, that's 1,795.00 €, which according to Google, is $2002.95, bringing the gap down to $435.96, 21% savings.

I haven't dove into VAT and shipping direct from Karbonius.

[fourmula1]

Just another thing to note, the turner box is thicker and heavier than my Karb box. Recently felt them side by side.

[DJAM3]

...The strong US dollar makes it cheaper now than ever.

Even if Turner/ecs have fixed the issues, I truly don't understand why you'd buy it over Karb. It's not really that much cheaper than the Karb race box.

This was more true a couple years ago. I bought my Karb stuff when the exchange rate was 1 to 1.

[discoelk]

I hear this sentiment get tossed around, but can we quantify it? I'd like to understand if I'm missing something, because the difference seems significant.

This Turner deal is: $1566.99
As far as I can tell, Karbonius bought through IND is $2249 - https://ind-distribution.com/collect...on-airbox-race

That's a difference of $682.01, 30% less than the Karbonius price. Shipping from IND is $20 to me, so negligible.


Can you still buy Karbonius stuff direct from them? If so, that's 1,795.00 €, which according to Google, is $2002.95, bringing the gap down to $435.96, 21% savings.

I haven't dove into VAT and shipping direct from Karbonius.

Just my opinion but if $400 is a deal maker/breaker on this project, you should stay stock. There will be stuff that comes up and random parts/hoses/clamps that need to be replaced when the airbox is off and to do it right, you need an HP ECU with a map sensor. The OEM air filters have gotten quite expensive as well.

I bought mine direct a few years ago and at that time it was practically the same cost as a turner box.

[Nate047]

That's interesting about the sound, that would annoy me big time if I bought something and found out later that I bought the wrong shit

Regarding VAT, you don't pay VAT on export good from EU at all, but you will have to pay import duty through DHL. I had to pay like $45 for some Megane RS calipers, and I think like $150-$250 for a bunch of stuff from MK Rennsport Technik

[fattycharged]

I hear this sentiment get tossed around, but can we quantify it? I'd like to understand if I'm missing something, because the difference seems significant.

This Turner deal is: $1566.99
As far as I can tell, Karbonius bought through IND is $2249 - https://ind-distribution.com/collect...on-airbox-race

That's a difference of $682.01, 30% less than the Karbonius price. Shipping from IND is $20 to me, so negligible.


Can you still buy Karbonius stuff direct from them? If so, that's 1,795.00 €, which according to Google, is $2002.95, bringing the gap down to $435.96, 21% savings.

I haven't dove into VAT and shipping direct from Karbonius.

I heard you can't purchase direct any longer with IND now the NA distributor. I suppose you could use one of the mail rerouting services, but then you’d be paying VAT.

[audipwr1]

Need rec for someone that can remote tune my car to switch to a MAP driven / CSL tune for my SMG 06 competition with this box on it. Evidently my CSL box ships today

[Slideways]

Need rec for someone that can remote tune my car to switch to a MAP driven / CSL tune for my SMG 06 competition with this box on it. Evidently my CSL box ships today

There is always Terra's modified CSL bin here if you need something quick.

[audipwr1]

Was hoping for somone to do a recent remote tune on it
Or otherwise someone in Boston area who is good