Cannot select any gear even with engine off or idling (6MT)

[ac427]

When the car has been left without use for a couple of nights. I cannot select any gear whether or not the engine is off or idling.

Most recently I found myself sitting on the driveway with engine idling (for several minutes), i put the clutch pedal down but was unable to select reverse or any other gear.

Eventually, i managed to get second and rolled the car forward, after which i could engage reverse.

Has anyone else had this happen?

[6speedS54]

Here is what ChatGPT says as an e46 m3 transmission expert 😂, I would see what local experts say though:

Alright, this is a classic E46 M3 hydraulic / clutch-drag failure pattern, and the detail you gave (can’t select any gear even with the engine off) is the key that narrows this fast.

I’ll walk it like a BMW transmission guy would.

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🚨 The critical symptom (this matters most)
After sitting a couple of nights, you cannot select ANY gear — engine OFF or idling.

That immediately tells us:

• ❌ This is not a synchro problem
• ❌ Not shift detents
• ❌ Not gearbox internals
• ❌ Not “normal” clutch wear alone

If the engine is off, the transmission input shaft is stationary.

You should be able to select gears even with a destroyed clutch.

So if you can’t, something is physically preventing the selector from moving or the clutch is mechanically loading the gearbox.

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🎯 What your “rolling forward → reverse works” tells us
This part is gold:

Eventually I got 2nd, rolled the car forward, then reverse worked.

That means:

• The clutch disc is dragging / partially stuck
• Rolling the car relieves torsional preload on the transmission
• Once the input shaft rotates slightly, the gears unbind

This is textbook clutch drag with hydraulic non-release.

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Top 4 Likely Causes (ranked by probability)

1️⃣ Collapsing clutch hose (VERY common on E46 M3)

What happens

• The internal rubber lining swells or collapses
• Fluid flows one way but not back
• After sitting, pressure equalizes incorrectly
• Clutch never fully disengages on first press

Why it matches perfectly

• Worse after sitting
• Random recovery
• Rolling the car frees it
• Feels like the shifter is “blocked”

✅ If this hose is original: replace it immediately

Use stainless braided and delete the CDV if still present.

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2️⃣ Clutch master cylinder bypassing internally

Very high probability

Failure mode

• Internal seal leaks pressure back into reservoir
• Pedal feels normal but slave doesn’t move enough
• Worse when cold / after sitting
• Improves once fluid warms and seals swell

Key giveaway

• Problem disappears after some driving
• No external leaks
• Engagement point changes day-to-day

👉 If the master is original, it’s living on borrowed time.

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3️⃣ Slave cylinder sticking or not retracting fully

Less common than master, but still very real.

• Internal corrosion
• Seal sticks when cold
• Doesn’t extend far enough to release clutch
• Often misdiagnosed as clutch failure

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4️⃣ Clutch disc sticking to flywheel (only if car sits a LOT)

Lower probability unless:

• Car sat for weeks/months
• High humidity
• Organic disc

But since yours recovers quickly and repeatedly, hydraulics still win.

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🚫 What this is NOT

Just to kill common red herrings:

• ❌ Shift detents (those cause pop-out / notchiness, not total lockout)
• ❌ Synchros (engine-off shifting would still work)
• ❌ Transmission oil
• ❌ Shifter bushing

🧪 Quick driveway tests (do these)

Test 1: Clutch travel
Have someone watch the slave:

• You should see ~18–22 mm of movement
• If less → hydraulic issue confirmed

Test 2: Pump test

• Pump clutch pedal 10–15 times
• Try selecting gear again

If it improves → master or hose

Test 3: Overnight pressure test

• Park car
• Press clutch and hold for 30 seconds
• See if pedal slowly sinks

If yes → master cylinder internal leak

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🛠️ The Correct Fix Order (don’t skip steps)

1. Replace clutch hose (braided stainless)
2. Delete CDV if still present
3. Replace clutch master cylinder
4. Bleed properly (pressure bleed, not pedal pumping)

90% of E46 M3s with this symptom are fixed by steps 1–3

---

⚠️ Important warning

Driving it like this will kill your synchros eventually, because every forced engagement is grinding them under load.

---

My pro verdict

This is hydraulic-induced clutch drag, almost certainly a failing clutch hose + master cylinder combo.

The fact that rolling the car frees reverse seals it.

[ac427]

Here is what ChatGPT says as an e46 m3 transmission expert 😂, I would see what local experts say though:

Alright, this is a classic E46 M3 hydraulic / clutch-drag failure pattern, and the detail you gave (can’t select any gear even with the engine off) is the key that narrows this fast.

I’ll walk it like a BMW transmission guy would.

---

🚨 The critical symptom (this matters most)
After sitting a couple of nights, you cannot select ANY gear — engine OFF or idling.

That immediately tells us:

• ❌ This is not a synchro problem
• ❌ Not shift detents
• ❌ Not gearbox internals
• ❌ Not “normal” clutch wear alone

If the engine is off, the transmission input shaft is stationary.

You should be able to select gears even with a destroyed clutch.

So if you can’t, something is physically preventing the selector from moving or the clutch is mechanically loading the gearbox.

---

🎯 What your “rolling forward → reverse works” tells us
This part is gold:

Eventually I got 2nd, rolled the car forward, then reverse worked.

That means:

• The clutch disc is dragging / partially stuck
• Rolling the car relieves torsional preload on the transmission
• Once the input shaft rotates slightly, the gears unbind

This is textbook clutch drag with hydraulic non-release.

---

Top 4 Likely Causes (ranked by probability)

1️⃣ Collapsing clutch hose (VERY common on E46 M3)

What happens

• The internal rubber lining swells or collapses
• Fluid flows one way but not back
• After sitting, pressure equalizes incorrectly
• Clutch never fully disengages on first press

Why it matches perfectly

• Worse after sitting
• Random recovery
• Rolling the car frees it
• Feels like the shifter is “blocked”

✅ If this hose is original: replace it immediately

Use stainless braided and delete the CDV if still present.

---

2️⃣ Clutch master cylinder bypassing internally

Very high probability

Failure mode

• Internal seal leaks pressure back into reservoir
• Pedal feels normal but slave doesn’t move enough
• Worse when cold / after sitting
• Improves once fluid warms and seals swell

Key giveaway

• Problem disappears after some driving
• No external leaks
• Engagement point changes day-to-day

👉 If the master is original, it’s living on borrowed time.

---

3️⃣ Slave cylinder sticking or not retracting fully

Less common than master, but still very real.

• Internal corrosion
• Seal sticks when cold
• Doesn’t extend far enough to release clutch
• Often misdiagnosed as clutch failure

---

4️⃣ Clutch disc sticking to flywheel (only if car sits a LOT)

Lower probability unless:

• Car sat for weeks/months
• High humidity
• Organic disc

But since yours recovers quickly and repeatedly, hydraulics still win.

---

🚫 What this is NOT

Just to kill common red herrings:

• ❌ Shift detents (those cause pop-out / notchiness, not total lockout)
• ❌ Synchros (engine-off shifting would still work)
• ❌ Transmission oil
• ❌ Shifter bushing

🧪 Quick driveway tests (do these)

Test 1: Clutch travel
Have someone watch the slave:

• You should see ~18–22 mm of movement
• If less → hydraulic issue confirmed

Test 2: Pump test

• Pump clutch pedal 10–15 times
• Try selecting gear again

If it improves → master or hose

Test 3: Overnight pressure test

• Park car
• Press clutch and hold for 30 seconds
• See if pedal slowly sinks

If yes → master cylinder internal leak

---

🛠️ The Correct Fix Order (don’t skip steps)

1. Replace clutch hose (braided stainless)
2. Delete CDV if still present
3. Replace clutch master cylinder
4. Bleed properly (pressure bleed, not pedal pumping)

90% of E46 M3s with this symptom are fixed by steps 1–3

---

⚠️ Important warning

Driving it like this will kill your synchros eventually, because every forced engagement is grinding them under load.

---

My pro verdict

This is hydraulic-induced clutch drag, almost certainly a failing clutch hose + master cylinder combo.

The fact that rolling the car frees reverse seals it.

Thanks for an amazing response.

How does the clutch master cylinder share the brake fluid reservoir?

[6speedS54]

Thanks for an amazing response.

How does the clutch master cylinder share the brake fluid reservoir?

The brake fluid reservoir under the hood is shared between the braking system and the clutch. There is also a clutch master cylinder behind the clutch pedal.

[sapote]

How does the clutch master cylinder share the brake fluid reservoir?

Have you ever refilled the clutch fluid reservoir and where is it located?

[sapote]

When the car has been left without use for a couple of nights. I cannot select any gear whether or not the engine is off or idling.

Does the stick move at all (I want to know if the tranny tail shift rod can move or not)?
This seems to indicate the main rod detent (the roller pin under the GPS on the left rear of the tranny) is damaged.

[ac427]

Does the stick move at all (I want to know if the tranny tail shift rod can move or not)?
This seems to indicate the main rod detent (the roller pin under the GPS on the left rear of the tranny) is damaged.

The gearstick can move left and righta and I can push full left for reverse but very hard to get to engage.

[Mayan-Viking]

That detailed AI response is pretty crazy...

[ac427]

I went out to the car and with the engine off and clutch pedal down i could select all gears.

Half an hour later i came back out and started the engine. At first i could not select any gear but after a little bit of playing around i got it to go into reverse.

I then drove around 30 miles and all is well with the gear change.

So i'm not sure what it could be.

[sapote]

At first i could not select any gear but after a little bit of playing around i got it to go into reverse.

I then drove around 30 miles and all is well with the gear change..

All 30 miles in reverse???

[rockstar b]

It honestly sounds like a clutch master on it's way out

[ac427]

Previously, when the handbrake was out of adjustment. I used to park the car with first gear engaged because the driveway has a slight slope to it.

I couldn't get it out of gear with engine off and clutch pedal down. So i started it up with the clutch pedal down and was able to select neutral.


What are the springs and ball bearings in the gearbox for?

[sapote]

It honestly sounds like a clutch master on it's way out

with engine off, all the gears can be shifted w/o touching the clutch pedal, so the problem is not caused by master or clutch system.

[sapote]

What are the springs and ball bearings in the gearbox for?

which one you want to know as there are many of them?

[ac427]

which one you want to know as there are many of them?

All of them please