Dilemma: Keep M3 or 911 (sad story)

[tnord]

keep them both.

Use your dads place as extra storage, and go visit him every sunday for dinner and switch cars. Even if you’re only driving them to/from his house once a week, that’s enough.

[bigjae46]

I can afford to keep both, I’m just not sure how many miles I’ll actually get to put on each.

longer term I want to get a lift in my garage, but that will require some reframing of the roof in my garage, so not a quick or cheap solution.

Eh, as long as you can drive them when you want to I don't think how many miles you drive those cars really matters. I think it is critical to store in climate control with pest control.

If you can, keep summer gas in it (May 1 to Sep 30). Winter gas uses butane and propane for octane which are VOCs. Summer gas has a lower RVP which means it is more stable. Summer gas has more alkylate blended into the base fuel which doesn't flash off like the butane and propane used to increase octane.

[Chubacca]

Appreciate the insights, just reached out to our architect to see about drawing up plans to reframe the garage for the lift.

If I’m being honest with myself (in stock form) I like the way the 911 drives better and the way the M3 looks (and community) better. That said, I want to figure out how to keep both.

Regarding driving more, most of my driving time is spent commuting through some traffic and rough roads. Hence why I daily a model 3. I do take the M3 out on errands but rarely get a chance to just go out for a drive. Was planning on it last night, but 1 of my kids was throwing a tantrum about going to bed and I couldn’t just leave my wife to deal with both of them. By the time he fell asleep, I was exhausted and needed to help with some stuff around the house.

The reality is I would have had more time to enjoy the car 10-20 years ago. Before kids and a much more demanding job (which I enjoy).

Keep both and hedge your bets on time. Your kid(s) will get older and become more self-reliant that gives you more time back for the things you want to do. Like driving both cars and making core memories with them. That's my plan as a father of a 2 year old that dailies my m3 (groceries/work/daycare/traffic) with my intention of hopefully passing my car down to her when she gets older.

If you had to make a logical decision immediately, I would keep the 911 and sell the m3

If you had to make a logical and rational decision immediately, I'd sell both and use that money for investments/401k/529/ Roth IRA for a minor since you already have a model 3 daily.

[9kracing]

You daily a Tesla?

That actually tells me everything I need to know.

I now vote that you sell both cars and keep the Tesla.

[BTB]

You daily a Tesla?

That actually tells me everything I need to know.

I now vote that you sell both cars and keep the Tesla.

What's wrong with a fast, practical, cheap to run daily with no emotional attachment?

[Bimma360]

What's wrong with a fast, practical, cheap to run daily with no emotional attachment?

The 4th characteristic you left out: Boring. :P

[02_lsb]

+1 on Tesla and EVs in general. Love it for daily use.

Most modern cars are automatic, so unless you define service visits, fuel stops or chasing fluid leaks as fun - kind of pointless.

[Bimma360]

+1 on Tesla and EVs in general. Love it for daily use.

Most modern cars are automatic, so unless you define service visits, fuel stops or chasing fluid leaks as fun - kind of pointless.

I do actually, haha, truthfully. I drive my X3M in manual mode 100% of the time with every setting jacked up to the most aggressive state, unless I am on the highway during a road trip (which excludes just about all EVs anyway). It's a Dinan point car, so it's slightly modified. It's way too fast for the street, faster than most EV's actually, except for a few performance models that I have yet to encounter haha. It makes pops and bangs, and all sorts of loud noises when I shift. I shift it and run through gears every single time. I engine brake, and downshift through all the gears when I am coming to a stop. For a "boring" modern tech filled car, that I am actually not even in love with (its an suv), I have a good time dropping my kid at school, going to the grocery store, getting gas, AND taking it in for service visits. It gives me the ability to make any drive, regardless of its purpose, somewhat of an event.

Funny thing about service visits, they have allowed me to experience full plug in BMW EVs for several days at a time. I have had good seat time in both an i4 and one of the new gen i5's. EV's are awesome appliances. My personal biggest takeaway from driving an EV is that listening to music in the car is sooooo much better. Not having the constant vibration and hum of an ICE, makes for a better more relaxed lounging experience. It's a really nice place to be. I like it. But I don't need/want my everyday drives to be a lounging experience. I want to drive the most fun car I can all the time. Also such is my life currently, that I don't get fatigued by it.

We all make sacrifices based on priority. Some prioritize fun over comfort, and others the opposite. Nothin wrong with that. But, and here comes the part that may ruffle some feathers, the "kind of pointless" sounds more like trying to justify the latter. You can file that along with, "I don't have time to drive it." What most are actually saying, or in some cases outright saying:

"I am not that into ICE cars, especially old ICE cars anymore. I love them, but driving them can get fatiguing. Also the sacrifices I have to make just aren't worth it at this point in my life. I just want to be unburdened by the things associated with ICE, old cars, and material objects that hold value that I may want to get out of at some point. I just want to get from point A to point B, and be comfortable in something disposable. I don't have the urge to make mundane tasks an event. In fact I much prefer a simple, worry free experience. It's not fun for me to worry about dents, scratches, pot holes, and the costs associated with those types of things, and it actually makes the driving experience worse for me." The variable here is the conclusion: [1] Having "fun" with cars is really good enough for me like once a month, or [2] the track if I am a track person, or [3] I really do like cars but I am just not into that stuff like I used to be and [4] frankly, I am out.

Sorry for the wall of text.

[Keith_MN]

Sell the Tesla and reclaim your soul.

[9kracing]

lol I'm just giving him a hard time, but yeah, this forum skews pretty hard towards "we hate EVs" 😂

[Hammerfang]

Quick update: architect is drawing up plans to allow for a bendpak 7k pound narrow lift. Hoping to get it in before the cold comes.

Side note: the Tesla hate is funny, not surprising and somewhat warranted. However, I bet it’s coming from people who have never had one. I’ve put 40k miles on mine without any issues and $0 on maintenance. Can’t do that with an ICE car.

[terra]

"I am not that into ICE cars, especially old ICE cars anymore. I love them, but driving them can get fatiguing. Also the sacrifices I have to make just aren't worth it at this point in my life. I just want to be unburdened by the things associated with ICE, old cars, and material objects that hold value that I may want to get out of at some point. I just want to get from point A to point B, and be comfortable in something disposable. I don't have the urge to make mundane tasks an event. In fact I much prefer a simple, worry free experience. It's not fun for me to worry about dents, scratches, pot holes, and the costs associated with those types of things, and it actually makes the driving experience worse for me." The variable here is the conclusion: [1] Having "fun" with cars is really good enough for me like once a month, or [2] the track if I am a track person, or [3] I really do like cars but I am just not into that stuff like I used to be and [4] frankly, I am out.

I think that's about where I'm at as far as daily drivers go. Fast, comfortable, and reliable is about what I want there, and EVs are pretty good at that (currently daily an i5 M60). The days I'm working are 12 hour days with an all highway commute. Highway cruiser is what I want there

[1] and [3] are about where I'm at overall when it comes to fun cars. There's the additional wrinkle of a fun car needing to be manual, and options to that end being rather limited nowadays.

[02_lsb]

@Bimma360

while I’m sure an x3m is an excellent vehicle, having owned multiple bmws through the years and now living with two old m cars… bmw is now in a sticker business. The other day I was at a light behind a convertible, four wheel drive, competition package m4. WTF is that? At some point, it makes no difference how many m stickers, turbos or other nonsense you can slap on these cars. It’s just silly.

for daily, I have a semi-regular commute, I charge at home. My daily is faster than 99% of the cars on the road and requires effectively no upkeep. BMW EVs are not for me, yet. They’re a bit behind, however I think that is about to change.

[Bimma360]

@Bimma360

while I’m sure an x3m is an excellent vehicle, having owned multiple bmws through the years and now living with two old m cars… bmw is now in a sticker business. The other day I was at a light behind a convertible, four wheel drive, competition package m4. WTF is that? At some point, it makes no difference how many m stickers, turbos or other nonsense you can slap on these cars. It’s just silly.

for daily, I have a semi-regular commute, I charge at home. My daily is faster than 99% of the cars on the road and requires effectively no upkeep. BMW EVs are not for me, yet. They’re a bit behind, however I think that is about to change.

Different strokes, I get it. I, however, love the new M stuff, just as much as some of the old. I am here for all of it. Stickers or not, haha. I used to be a curmudgeon about the new stuff, having driven old manual BMWs exclusively my entire driving life. But the X3M changed my mind.

We’re a road trip family, so electric cars are not in my near future for family use. I am very interested in seeing what the new all electric M3 ends up being though. I’ll still buy the ICE version though (if they make a wagon).

[Obioban]

If I were to give up on driving experience and buy a modern car, it would be an EV.

I have not driven a modern car I didn't hate the experience of. EPS, turbos, automatic, awd, heavy-- these aren't things I want in my life. If I'm going to give up on a good driving experience and long term upkeep (serviceability), I'd go for the zero upkeep, zero fuel stops, near zero fuel costs version. Lucid makes the best engineered version of that, but they can't seem to produce it in a reliable way and they'll likely be bankrupt soon, anyway. Tesla makes the 2nd best engineered version and have, at this point, figure out how to produce a car. That's likely the route I'd take.

Defining "best engineered" as...
1) the ratio of interior space to exterior size (where the traditional auto makers with the hybrid chassis designs get trounced)
2) the distance traveled per kwh consumed.

I do understand the allure. When my commute was 105 miles/day, I went the EV route myself (i3, which IMO remains one of the best engineered EVs, but no longer exists). But, I moved and changed jobs to change that situation, and now my commute is 16 miles per/day of most country back road bombing, so now I want driving experience.

... part of me does miss that 2700 lb, rwd, carbon monocoque, super low CoG, instant "throttle" response, hatchback. But, that was a technological oddity that likely won't ever exist again.