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  • DESMDR3
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    Originally posted by fattycharged View Post

    Thank you for confirming what the sheeple have been preaching. If you cruise and park, the budget tires are awesome.


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    The RS-Pros I have can be considered budget tires yet will outperform PS4S on track every time


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  • fattycharged
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    Originally posted by chicane View Post

    That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear. The V12's are comfortable, quiet, long tread life....my car runs great, the tires look phenomenal. I have another set on my E90, I couldn't be happier with their performance and my wallet appreciates the switch. If I tracked or auto-crossed the car Pilot Sports would be at the top of the list. If I am just tooling around town or driving to work it is a waste of money. And don't take my opinion read the TireRack or other reviews for similar High Performance cars...for the money it is a great tire.
    Thank you for confirming what the sheeple have been preaching. If you cruise and park, the budget tires are awesome.


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  • Icecream
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    Originally posted by chicane View Post

    That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear. The V12's are comfortable, quiet, long tread life....my car runs great, the tires look phenomenal. I have another set on my E90, I couldn't be happier with their performance and my wallet appreciates the switch. If I tracked or auto-crossed the car Pilot Sports would be at the top of the list. If I am just tooling around town or driving to work it is a waste of money. And don't take my opinion read the TireRack or other reviews for similar High Performance cars...for the money it is a great tire.
    Ps4s tires wear incredibly well and have pretty much paid for themselves in how long they lasted compared to the continentals, Bridgestone PP, htrziii and some I had before. Not only that but they remained comfortable and quite for the entire life of the tire. The other brands became unbearably harsh as they wore or became way too noisy. I have done many many miles on mine, lots of power slides, burnouts whatever and they just now need replacing. All my previous sets from other brands seemed to have worn out much sooner. By your logic an M3 is a waste of money if you’re just tooling around or driving to work.

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  • Obioban
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    Originally posted by chicane View Post

    That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear. The V12's are comfortable, quiet, long tread life....my car runs great, the tires look phenomenal. I have another set on my E90, I couldn't be happier with their performance and my wallet appreciates the switch. If I tracked or auto-crossed the car Pilot Sports would be at the top of the list. If I am just tooling around town or driving to work it is a waste of money. And don't take my opinion read the TireRack or other reviews for similar High Performance cars...for the money it is a great tire.
    Modern PS4s get around double the life of the old PS1s/PS2s.

    Tracking has nothing to do with it-- trying to have a tire that's good on track and on the street is like trying to have a tire that's good in the snow and in the summer-- inherently, you're compromising. If you were tracking, PS4Ss would be a terrible choice (well, not as a rain tire) as they don't have the heat capacity for it (much like any tire that is good on the street).

    If you're just tooling around on the street, the entire car is a waste. The PS4S's are very much a tire with the same set of priorities as the M3-- Grippy, feelsome, comfortable and civilized enough. The V12s have the priorities of a Dodge Challenger-- bad handling, not great feel, okay grip, cushy ride, low price.

    Ultimately, there's a reason every performance car worth it's salt for the last 20 years has come on some sort of Michelin. For a high performance street tire, there is nothing better as a complete package. When cars are being subjected to reviews (handling, comfort, NHV, grip, braking distances, wet behavior), the car companies want them to be put in the best possible light-- which means Michelin performance tires. I'd be interested to be proven wrong, but I don't know of any cars that came stock with V12s.

    I could actually see them being okay on a stock e90 non M. The non M subframe bushings make the car feel like a body on frame car with worth out body mounts already, so the V12s might not actually make it feel worse. Or, maybe they exacerbate the problem, and make it even worse... never tried V12s on an e90. But, on the e46 M3... I've experience few parts that degrade the handling more severely than V12s.

    Originally posted by chicane View Post
    the tires look phenomenal.
    ...

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  • Tbonem3
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    Originally posted by chicane View Post

    That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear
    No, pilot sports are not good for the track lol

    Imagine that, the rear tires on a high output RWD sports car wear faster than the fronts.

    If you can't afford the best tires, why are you playing around with a $55k sports car?

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  • Tbonem3
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    I thought we were way past v12s, silicone elbows, and smoked leds .

    Just head over to e46fanatics. Let this forum be for us robots who mindlessly think that OE plus high quality mods is "the way."

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  • chicane
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    Originally posted by Obioban View Post
    There are many good tires out there... but V12s are not among them. Junk. Car ruiningly bad, imo.
    That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear. The V12's are comfortable, quiet, long tread life....my car runs great, the tires look phenomenal. I have another set on my E90, I couldn't be happier with their performance and my wallet appreciates the switch. If I tracked or auto-crossed the car Pilot Sports would be at the top of the list. If I am just tooling around town or driving to work it is a waste of money. And don't take my opinion read the TireRack or other reviews for similar High Performance cars...for the money it is a great tire.
    Last edited by chicane; 10-21-2020, 07:20 AM.

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  • Obioban
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    There are many good tires out there... but V12s are not among them. Junk. Car ruiningly bad, imo.

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  • fattycharged
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    Originally posted by DESMDR3 View Post

    This right here. People on here love to get spoon fed. And they end up building the same car as the next guy. Same ol cookie cutter mentality


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  • fattycharged
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    Originally posted by chicane View Post

    My ride quality is great. What the fuck do you know about them, have you owned V12's before. Ridden in an E46 with them...thought not.
    Interesting that you assume the naysayers are all parroting each other with no personal experience. I have, they are shit unresponsive sloppy tires at speed. Though I’m sure they pair well with a nice set of BC’s.


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  • DESMDR3
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    Originally posted by chicane View Post

    My ride quality is great. What the fuck do you know about them, have you owned V12's before. Ridden in an E46 with them...thought not.
    He’s just trying to let it be known he paid so much for a set of tires and anything else less expensive can’t possibly be any good


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  • DESMDR3
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    Originally posted by chicane View Post

    Definitely don't listen to the lemmings on this board who all insist on the same course of action for question. I have never seen a more obedient group of robots....
    This right here. People on here love to get spoon fed. And they end up building the same car as the next guy. Same ol cookie cutter mentality


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  • DESMDR3
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    Originally posted by Tbonem3 View Post

    That "statement" was the correct answer.


    v12s good lord
    Originally posted by fattycharged View Post

    you win. OP, buy some V12's and enjoy your new shit ride quality.

    *edited for clarity
    Ok now you used your imagination too much, I never mentioned v12s


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  • chicane
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    Originally posted by r4dr View Post

    Definitely don't buy V12s. 🧐
    Definitely don't listen to the lemmings on this board who all insist on the same course of action for question. I have never seen a more obedient group of robots....

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  • chicane
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    Originally posted by fattycharged View Post

    you win. OP, buy some V12's and enjoy your new shit ride quality.

    *edited for clarity
    My ride quality is great. What the fuck do you know about them, have you owned V12's before. Ridden in an E46 with them...thought not.

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