Tires. What is every one running?

[Obioban]

I don’t know if there was something wrong with the V12s that came on my car or what based on the comments here, but they were the harshest tire I have ever used by far. I bought ZCPs with MPSS on them and even at 19” vs the V12 on Apex 18s, the ride quality improvement was night and day. I still want to replace the KW V2 that also came on the car but the wheel and tire swap made the situation much less dire.

V12s uniquely combine the harshness of a track tire with the handling ruining side wall squishiness of a snow tire. They're the worst tire I've experienced on this chassis.

[chicane]

No, pilot sports are not good for the track lol

Imagine that, the rear tires on a high output RWD sports car wear faster than the fronts.

If you can't afford the best tires, why are you playing around with a $55k sports car?

Get some information before you type:

https://www.autoguide.com/the-best-ultra-high-performance-tires-and-why-you-need-them

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/aftermarket-parts/1506-track-day-tires-buyers-guide/

And these are not $55K cars...not anymore.

[chicane]

Ps4s tires wear incredibly well

You have no idea what you are talking about Pilot Sports are well know to wear fast, just Google.

[tnord]

I have PSS on the car now, but they've gone rock hard and have no grip left. bonus is at least they're wearing like rocks. there's plenty of depth left, but I'll switch to either PS4s or Conti Sports next spring. I have the conti sports on the e90 330 and have been happy, especially for the money.

[chicane]

There is a lot to unpack here...

Modern PS4s get around double the life of the old PS1s/PS2s.
Tracking has nothing to do with it-- trying to have a tire that's good on track and on the street is like trying to have a tire that's good in the snow and in the summer-- inherently, you're compromising. If you were tracking, PS4Ss would be a terrible choice (well, not as a rain tire) as they don't have the heat capacity for it (much like any tire that is good on the street).

I never mentioned PS4s

If you're just tooling around on the street, the entire car is a waste.

That is YOUR opinion.

Ultimately, there's a reason every performance car worth it's salt for the last 20 years has come on some sort of Michelin. For a high performance street tire, there is nothing better as a complete package. When cars are being subjected to reviews (handling, comfort, NHV, grip, braking distances, wet behavior), the car companies want them to be put in the best possible light-- which means Michelin performance tires. I'd be interested to be proven wrong, but I don't know of any cars that came stock with V12s.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200326000809

.. I've experience few parts that degrade the handling more severely than V12s.

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597436

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1259053

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=963012

[0-60motorsports]

I hated the V12s on the golf R. Changed to nitto nt555 and it’s great.

For the M3 I am on conti sports but am thinking of trying the new generals or just get a new set of contis

[Obioban]

Get some information before you type:

https://www.autoguide.com/the-best-ultra-high-performance-tires-and-why-you-need-them

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/aftermarket-parts/1506-track-day-tires-buyers-guide/

And these are not $55K cars...not anymore.

It is true that if you put tires suited for a $20k car on it, you've gone a long way towards transforming the driving experience from a $55,000 driving experience to a $20,000 driving experience.

I guess we've found common ground.

[Obioban]

There is a lot to unpack here...


I never mentioned PS4s



That is YOUR opinion.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200326000809

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597436

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1259053

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=963012

You didn't mention PS4Ss, but that is what you should be comparing to-- that's the Pilot Sport that's currently for sale. I was pointing out that your experience with short tread life on earlier versions is not accurate to the current version.

You've linked to an article saying that Hankook wants to be an OE supplier and isn't and Hankook ad, and some forum people saying they liked it. Not sure what you want me to do with that... all seems pretty useless.

[Toby22]

Cheap china tires here...no regrets

[chicane]

It is true that if you put tires suited for a $20k car on it, you've gone a long way towards transforming the driving experience from a $55,000 driving experience to a $20,000 driving experience.

I guess we've found common ground.

My driving experience hasn't suffered in the least. And like I said I had MPS so I know they are good tires. They just are not worth the money, to me, vs. the amount of tread life that you get out of them. My point is that I am far from the only one running these on an M3. Others as use them well, and enjoy them. Are they a compromise, probably, especially if you put the car through some heavy driving. But they do not run like shit as others said, not even close, they have excellent wet driving properties, they look great are quiet and I would buy another set in a heartbeat. I don't base my buying decisions based on what people "on the boards" think is cool or acceptable. I do my research and buy what I find acceptable. I don't find paying $1200 for a set of tires that lasts less than 10K acceptable.

[SandeepM3]

If you aggressively drive in the rain I really dont see any other option then ps4s. They are phenomenal. If you dont, lmao at the thought that you're not getting enough dry performance on the street. Huh?

Why are people not recommending trofeo r's then? Way more grip then v12s.

[fattycharged]

My driving experience hasn't suffered in the least. And like I said I had MPS so I know they are good tires. They just are not worth the money, to me, vs. the amount of tread life that you get out of them. My point is that I am far from the only one running these on an M3. Others as use them well, and enjoy them. Are they a compromise, probably, especially if you put the car through some heavy driving. But they do not run like shit as others said, not even close, they have excellent wet driving properties, they look great are quiet and I would buy another set in a heartbeat. I don't base my buying decisions based on what people "on the boards" think is cool or acceptable. I do my research and buy what I find acceptable. I don't find paying $1200 for a set of tires that lasts less than 10K acceptable.

Unless you’re running a square setup, I don’t get why you are buying “sets” of tires every 10k. I go through 2-3 rear tires for every front tire replacement.


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[Obioban]

My driving experience hasn't suffered in the least. And like I said I had MPS so I know they are good tires. They just are not worth the money, to me, vs. the amount of tread life that you get out of them. My point is that I am far from the only one running these on an M3. Others as use them well, and enjoy them. Are they a compromise, probably, especially if you put the car through some heavy driving. But they do not run like shit as others said, not even close, they have excellent wet driving properties, they look great are quiet and I would buy another set in a heartbeat. I don't base my buying decisions based on what people "on the boards" think is cool or acceptable. I do my research and buy what I find acceptable. I don't find paying $1200 for a set of tires that lasts less than 10K acceptable.

The modern Pilot Sports last longer than 10k.

That said, I ran them when they didn't and were twice as expensive (inflation adjusted). Tires are the single largest determinant of wet grip, dry grip, NHV, hydroplaning resistance, steering feel, wet and dry stopping distance, etc. If you find value in driving an M3, it's hard for me to see value in compromising everything about the M3 experience to save a couple bucks.

Failing that, I've never driven a tire as ruinous to the M3 as the V12s. I'd get literally any other budget tire over them. It is THE worst tire for the car. It gives the car the body on frame with failed body mounts feel, but with the harnesses normally associated with the opposite sort of tire. Worst of both worlds.

Amusingly, I had a friend who had a set. His car felt so off with them that he ended up replacing every bushing in the car, because he couldn't figure out what was ruining the handling. Eventually he replaced his tires, and that actually fixed his handling.

That was most of my V12 experience-- test driving his car, trying to figure out what on the car was broken.

[elbert]

I have never been dissatisfied with any Michelin tire, ever.

Michelin tires back in the 1990's were terrible, when they were experimenting with different silica compounds. It wasn't until they came out with the Pilot SX MXX3 did they become decent again.
But I digress. Carry on... and get off my lawn

[chicane]

Unless you’re running a square setup, I don’t get why you are buying “sets” of tires every 10k. I go through 2-3 rear tires for every front tire replacement.


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Which is part of the problem. I still have a set of PS' up in my attic. That is not normal you shouldn't be going through 2-3 rear tires for every front tire replacement.