M3 v CSL 5th Gear Test

[alexk]

It is an M3 CSL forum so I guess it's ok to discuss about the M3 CSL.

Jim, a comparison between a stock CSL and a stock M3 on cups would be very interesting. With the same driver and also see the consistency of laps (i.e. the times of 15 laps in a row, not just the fastest one).

I have the time attack laptime of a heavily modified/stripped M3 E46 at ADR.
I was faster the first time I tried my new suspension and my car is stock compared to this M3.
I am not sure what the outcome would be if I would be driving this M3.
I will ask the driver for telemetry files if they have any.

[northernjim]

You two non-homos seem to be doing all the posting :gayfight:

feeling left out? :gayfight:

[shimmy]

You two non-homos seem to be doing all the posting :gayfight:

[shane@mbtech]

It is quite funny reading this thread..... I know my car is not as fast as a csl, but is it as much fun? yep :thumbs:

A lot of csl's have been modified, as has my car, so is my car as quick as a standard csl? hmm maybe? do I care? not really - chasing cars is always fun whatever they are :finga:





you said that right:finga:





because with the same tyre, the actual difference in the 'car' could be established...

fat m3 vs csl is -2sec
fat m3 with cups vs csl would be -1.0 sec over 1 lap then the extra weight and shite brakes would make the gap grow...




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:hahaha: :thumbs:

Bunch of fucking homos if you ask me jim

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[northernjim]

It is quite funny reading this thread..... I know my car is not as fast as a csl, but is it as much fun? yep :thumbs:

A lot of csl's have been modified, as has my car, so is my car as quick as a standard csl? hmm maybe? do I care? not really - chasing cars is always fun whatever they are :finga:

Not as silly as you think mate :wink: If the Standard (heavy) M3 was fitted with CUPs which are specifically designed for the (lighter) M3 CSL (with CSL specific load rates) The CUPs would have been worked that much harder on the heavier car and possibly overheated to the point of no grip advantage. NOT Worth considering :whistle::clown:

you said that right:finga:

They are different cars with different wheels, tyres, SMg, software, diff, suspensions, weight, seats, power, so why pick on the tyres?

because with the same tyre, the actual difference in the 'car' could be established...

fat m3 vs csl is -2sec
fat m3 with cups vs csl would be -1.0 sec over 1 lap then the extra weight and shite brakes would make the gap grow...

Forget the sunroof in the grand scheme of things would not make as much difference as the tyres.

Yes CSL was designed around Pilot Sport Cups but for curiosity sake and in the interest of science would be interesting to see how much closer the stock E46 M3 Coupe is quicker than the time already set on regular tyres.

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Reading the posts on this thread its as though someone has abused your mum or something.

It's a car FFS get over it! :blalalala::gayfight:

:hahaha: :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Has anyone got a standard M3, ive got a set of cups they can borrow, we could go to brands, Snetterton, Bedford or Donny and try it out.

After owning both I can predict the out come.

We know the outcome billy. But it intrigues me to see how much quicker the standard m3 would go.

Reading the posts on this thread its as though someone has abused your mum or something.

It's a car FFS get over it! :blalalala::gayfight:

[alexk]

Not true 2005 on get same smg software and diffs are the same.

I don't think the SMG software is the same.
The launch control rpms are certainly different as well as the blip when downshifting and with closed throttle.

[billyboysm3]

Has anyone got a standard M3, ive got a set of cups they can borrow, we could go to brands, Snetterton, Bedford or Donny and try it out.

After owning both I can predict the out come.

[shane@mbtech]

Guys...CSL & Cups were made for each other. Get over it. If you're gerna say "...but if I put Cups on my bogo m3..." ya may aswell say if I put hoosiers or slicks on my bogo m3. Deal with it ffs.

But you CAN put cups on an M3.

I'm just curious as to what the tyres on their own do?

I know how much better the CSL is than a normal M3, never mind an M6. Deal with it FFS:finga::-D

[shimmy]

Guys...CSL & Cups were made for each other. Get over it. If you're gerna say "...but if I put Cups on my bogo m3..." ya may aswell say if I put hoosiers or slicks on my bogo m3. Deal with it ffs.

so speaks THe Man :thumbs:

[3wheels3]

Guys...CSL & Cups were made for each other. Get over it. If you're gerna say "...but if I put Cups on my bogo m3..." ya may aswell say if I put hoosiers or slicks on my bogo m3. Deal with it ffs.

[Rutkowski]

Not true 2005 on get same smg software and diffs are the same.

I know the differences but still would be curious to see how they compared on same Tyres. Like at spa where I really struggled on a048s compared to your cups. Put the slicks on and smoked you:birdman: so Tyres play a huuuuuuge part as well you know.

Indeed.

Upgrading tyres does not interfere with factory design or settings.

Reducing weight and all other changes do, therefore it is called modification.

Never said, standard M3 would do as good or even better than CSL... but would do much better no doubt.

As for overheating issues... because M3 weighs 100kg more... this is an equivalent to an extra passenger. I can't believe this would play a massive difference. An extra cool down lap perhaps...

[Rutkowski]

The cup tyres were a standard fitment.
Michelin and BMW developed the cup tyre specifically for the CSL. Then it was fitted to other cars (in other setup / configurations).

Edit: why usually people that do not own a CSL struggle to show that the M3 is as good as the CSL when fitted with cup tyres ?

LOL times 2

[Rutkowski]

M6 are shit artyman:

LOL

[Bounce]

M6 are shit artyman:

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