The make or break question....

[_Nathan_]

From youtube ->

A BTG lap during GranTurismo trackday 30.4.2013
Car: BMW M3 E92 Schirmer V8 GT
Engine: Standard with Akrapovic exhaust (431 HP on Dyno)
Tires: New Dunlop Direzza 03G (265/35x18 - 285/30x18)
Suspension: Nitron with Schirmer kinematics and setup
Car weight: abt.1600kg with driver
The car has unbelievable handling and balance
"It is all about the handling - not horsepower"

So 431HP and 1600kg is faster than 1320kg and 620HP which happens to be Porsche's best car...
Makes you wonder :whistle:

1320 with driver?

[Mike R]

From youtube ->

A BTG lap during GranTurismo trackday 30.4.2013
Car: BMW M3 E92 Schirmer V8 GT
Engine: Standard with Akrapovic exhaust (431 HP on Dyno)
Tires: New Dunlop Direzza 03G (265/35x18 - 285/30x18)
Suspension: Nitron with Schirmer kinematics and setup
Car weight: abt.1600kg with driver
The car has unbelievable handling and balance
"It is all about the handling - not horsepower"

So 431HP and 1600kg is faster than 1320kg and 620HP which happens to be Porsche's best car...
Makes you wonder :whistle:

I think that they're being pessimistic about the weight, as the owner of the white car says it was 1450kg without driver. However, I have seen pictures of the German owner, and he is a big lad, so I'd guess at 1570, hence rounding up.

Don't forget EVERY car has to have a driver in it .

Look at the cars it is faster than at last year's Tuner Grand Prix:

http://www.carunch.com/2012-auto-tuner-grand-prix-event-at-hockenheimring-top-tuned-cars-results/

[Trawler]

[QUOTE=LeinsCSL;n434564]You need to drive one and all will be clear, simple as that really. Decision will then be made for you!

+1

[m3ni]

Hey guys,

Joined here a few months ago, pondered about at different cars, test drove a cayman S, Few m3's etc then decided to 100% put my evo up for sale.

CSL's have always made my head turn, being a regular at the ring I've seen my fair share.

The make or break question for me is, why a csl and why not a 5 year newer V8 M3.

There's obviously pro's and con's for both, the biggest pro for the v8 is its newer, dct box is faster? Pros for csl, rare, will hold value better?

I'm guessing the biggest one is depreciating, v8's can be had for around 20k now.

My evo is going tommorow hopefully, taken a deposit so all well ill be in the market for a new car. Anyone around South Wales fancy showing me what a csl can do?

(Thinking of trying to view this this weekend if I can) - http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=460316

I am based over the water in Somerset if you fancy looking over one and guess what it's also for sale :wink:

[Johnno]

From youtube ->

A BTG lap during GranTurismo trackday 30.4.2013
Car: BMW M3 E92 Schirmer V8 GT
Engine: Standard with Akrapovic exhaust (431 HP on Dyno)
Tires: New Dunlop Direzza 03G (265/35x18 - 285/30x18)
Suspension: Nitron with Schirmer kinematics and setup
Car weight: abt.1600kg with driver
The car has unbelievable handling and balance
"It is all about the handling - not horsepower"

So 431HP and 1600kg is faster than 1320kg and 620HP which happens to be Porsche's best car...
Makes you wonder :whistle:

The way the thing corners is insane. On the other hand. The rs 4.0 looks in the similar bracket.

They were leaving gt2 / 3's all week.

Didn't handle like a 1600kg car.

[alexk]

Mega money, in the flesh it's stunning. I had a good look around it when I was at rent for ring last.

From youtube ->

A BTG lap during GranTurismo trackday 30.4.2013
Car: BMW M3 E92 Schirmer V8 GT
Engine: Standard with Akrapovic exhaust (431 HP on Dyno)
Tires: New Dunlop Direzza 03G (265/35x18 - 285/30x18)
Suspension: Nitron with Schirmer kinematics and setup
Car weight: abt.1600kg with driver
The car has unbelievable handling and balance
"It is all about the handling - not horsepower"

So 431HP and 1600kg is faster than 1320kg and 620HP which happens to be Porsche's best car...
Makes you wonder :whistle:

[Johnno]

Mike how much money he 'invested' in his car ?
Also... this sounds faster than a 997 GT2 RS :whistle:

Mega money, in the flesh it's stunning. I had a good look around it when I was at rent for ring last.

[alexk]

Here is his 7.19 BTG lap on a TF day - the 7.22 full lap is what I was told by the owner of the above white car, and that the black car has now also got down to a 7:05 BTG....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_7l8lLbAQ

Mike how much money he 'invested' in his car ?
Also... this sounds faster than a 997 GT2 RS :whistle:

[Johnno]

I currently drive a 2007 Mini Cooper s as a daily driver, and a 400 bhp Evo 9. But want something more sophisticated for a fast track car and a daily driver. The Evo is really good at hitting corners etc but I get annoyed driving it any distance slowly.

[Johnno]

You need to drive one and all will be clear, simple as that really. Decision will then be made for you!




No talk of all your cheap tax rates over there please!

Yeah that's what I'm thinking, drove a V8 version the other day in Cardiff bmw (2009 dct etc) was up for 29k, it felt a utter train on the motorway, but other than that. Wasn't the most exciting.

[Johnno]

A good CSL is only going to go up, a V8 is only going to go down (they just built too many). So if the decision is purely based on residuals, then it has to be the CSL. However, if you're going to be using it everyday (which it will do with ease), you'd be better off buying a high mileage CSL, as you'd only (sadly) devalue a low mileage car by putting loads of (mundane) miles on it.

Values tend to be as follows and mileage does seem to play an important part (these are all assuming VGC and full history), obviously lower mileage, but less cared for cars will be worth less and higher mileage exceptionally cared for cars will be worth more than this guide:
<10k miles = £50k+
10k - 15k = £50-£45k
15k - 20k = £45-40k
20k - 30k = £40-35k
40k - 50k = £35-30k
50k - 70k = £30-25k
70k - 100k = £25-20k

When I say every day driving, it won't be 100's of miles a year, 1 or 2 ring trips a year and I drive about 7 times a month to work ( in a lift share) so it's not mega miles.

So the other question is,

Do I buy a e46 m3, for around 8-10k, and pocket 15k. I'm just trying to find out what makes the csl so good. Never been or properly looked at one, apart from track side !

John.

[LeinsCSL]

You need to drive one and all will be clear, simple as that really. Decision will then be made for you!

£490 to tax it a year puts me off...!!!!, especially as my car sits in the garage all the time gathering dust.


Steve

No talk of all your cheap tax rates over there please!

[E46CSL]

A good CSL is only going to go up, a V8 is only going to go down (they just built too many). So if the decision is purely based on residuals, then it has to be the CSL. However, if you're going to be using it everyday (which it will do with ease), you'd be better off buying a high mileage CSL, as you'd only (sadly) devalue a low mileage car by putting loads of (mundane) miles on it.

Values tend to be as follows and mileage does seem to play an important part (these are all assuming VGC and full history), obviously lower mileage, but less cared for cars will be worth less and higher mileage exceptionally cared for cars will be worth more than this guide:
<10k miles = £50k+
10k - 15k = £50-£45k
15k - 20k = £45-40k
20k - 30k = £40-35k
40k - 50k = £35-30k
50k - 70k = £30-25k
70k - 100k = £25-20k

& 30 to 40K?

[Mike R]

I know of Ross, who's selling that particular csl bought many parts off him for my evo.

My last ring trip (may) I saw the two black team cars, and they were mega. And that's why I'm debating which one.

If I buy a csl, with suspension / brake upgrades, it will hold better value. Than if I were to get a v8 m3 and chop it all up, spending alot more on it?

Mpg wise what are you guys getting? Anyone using these as a daily drive?

A good CSL is only going to go up, a V8 is only going to go down (they just built too many). So if the decision is purely based on residuals, then it has to be the CSL. However, if you're going to be using it everyday (which it will do with ease), you'd be better off buying a high mileage CSL, as you'd only (sadly) devalue a low mileage car by putting loads of (mundane) miles on it.

Values tend to be as follows and mileage does seem to play an important part (these are all assuming VGC and full history), obviously lower mileage, but less cared for cars will be worth less and higher mileage exceptionally cared for cars will be worth more than this guide:
<10k miles = £50k+
10k - 15k = £50-£45k
15k - 20k = £45-40k
20k - 30k = £40-35k
40k - 50k = £35-30k
50k - 70k = £30-25k
70k - 100k = £25-20k

[Mike R]

Where is the proof of a Schirmer car on road legal tyres doing a 7.22?

Here is his 7.19 BTG lap on a TF day - the 7.22 full lap is what I was told by the owner of the above white car, and that the black car has now also got down to a 7:05 BTG....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_7l8lLbAQ