The make or break question....

[Mike RT4]

Just for info.

Assuming a CSL will do a 2:54 lap of Spa at 7km (maybe too fast in fairness) and a 7:50 lap of the ring at 22km, average speeds would be 144 km/h for Spa and 168km/h for the ring so in this example the 'ring is miles faster?

Don't let the facts get in the way :blalalala: .

[shane@mbtech]

Not very but I think my 2:54 is ballpark right.

There or there abouts Nathan

I'm sure Sy did a 2.53/2.54 with standard suspension.

A Nissan Gtr in standard form can do a 2.45 lap of spa. And a ring time of roughly 7.22

Edited to add the ring time is a pro, spa time is a couple of guys I know.

[Mike RT4]

There or there abouts Nathan

I'm sure Sy did a 2.53/2.54 with standard suspension.

A Nissan Gtr in standard form can do a 2.45 lap of spa. And a ring time of roughly 7.22

Edited to add the ring time is a pro, spa time is a couple of guys I know.

Which gives an average speed of 95mph and 106mph respectively - quite some difference. Goes to show that comparing Spa with the 'ring is like comparing apples with oranges :whistle: :119: !

Even allowing for different driver talents, the Spa time would need to be 2.27 in the GTR to give the same average speed as the 7.22 at the 'ring.....

[shane@mbtech]

Hi,

Quote - ''I disagree - the 'ring is a very flowing circuit...... ''

MikeR- you can disagree all you like but
the Stopwatch does not lie or better
still, make any assumptions [remember the assumptions].

Spa is faster than the Ring, that's not according
to the Primate, that's according to the stopwatch.

The retoric is that Shrim Car would be faster on the
slower circuit than the faster circuit.

So could be a podium at Mondello but only with the
also rans at Silverstone.

Is this what they call revearse engineering ?

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Spa is faster than the ring on the stop watch because its under 3 mins:thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Which gives an average speed of 95mph and 106mph respectively - quite some difference. Goes to show that comparing Spa with the 'ring is like comparing apples with oranges :whistle: :119: !

Even allowing for different driver talents, the Spa time would need to be 2.27 in the GTR to give the same average speed as the 7.22 at the 'ring.....

And we both know that will NOT happen

[Mike RT4]

And we both know that will NOT happen

Only in the world of Primates .

[Graham]

How can you compare Spa and Ring....really you can't. They are entirely different circuits.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote - ''How can you compare Spa and Ring....really you can't. They are entirely different circuits.

I was not comparing as such just stating the obvious that
Spa is Quicker than the Ring.

Bellof's epic Lap of 6.11 secs is around the GP Track
equates to 202 kmh / 126 mph

At Spa even this year with the
new regs several were under 1.48 and quicker
which is 233 kmh / 144 mph .

Also at this years Spa GP several cars were at 73 %
WOT per lap which would be impossible at the
Ring.


Quote- ''MikeR- you can disagree all you like but
the Stopwatch does not lie or better
still, make any assumptions [remember the assumptions].

Spa is faster than the Ring, that's not according
to the Primate, that's according to the stopwatch.''


No its Not ''' emperial evidence'' just plain certified facts.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shimmy]

im def quicker at Spa than the Ring :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

im def quicker at Spa than the Ring :thumbs:

:hahaha: ... definitely :smt023

[shimmy]

How can you compare Spa and Ring....really you can't. They are entirely different circuits.

Whilst I know what you are thinking, they are entirely different circuits, there are far more similarities between Spa and The Ring than The Ring and Silverstone, Bedford, Cadwell, Outlon Park, etc etc.

From my records Spa, Silverstone and Monza are the only circuits I have done where lap times are sub 40 secs per mile and I don't think you can equate Silverstone or Monza to the Ring.

The Ring is different due to the amount of blind corners and the danger factor but if you were going to compare it to a 'circuit', Spa would be one of them, and probably the A507 to Buntingford the other :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

Whilst I know what you are thinking, they are entirely different circuits, there are far more similarities between Spa and The Ring than The Ring and Silverstone, Bedford, Cadwell, Outlon Park, etc etc.

The Ring is different due to the amount of blind corners and the danger factor but if you were going to compare it to a 'circuit', Spa would be one of them, and probably the A507 to Buntingford the other :thumbs:

Ring & Spa are definitely more similar then they are entirely different :smokin: They also have very similar weather patterns and their very own micro climates :bigcry:
Yes Spa is shorter and more aggressive but less flowey then the Ring but they are both very fast, both have many sweeping sections with plenty of undulations :119: elevations.
Regardless of different opinions, they are both EPIC :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Mike RT4]

Gorilla,
I do not understand why you are quoting lap times at Spa achieved by cars that do not run at the 'ring, so no comparison can be made.

For direct comparison to see which circuit is faster, you need to compare like for like IDENTICAL cars.

A GTR does 7.22 around the 'ring - FACT. To just MATCH this average speed around Spa, it would need to be able to do a 2.27 - FACT. Come and rub it in my face when you find a factory GTR capable of doing this, let alone going faster.

Comparing anything other than like for like cars at each circuit is just plain silly and stating that cars from the 80s are "similar" to current LMP cars is just nonsensical.

[O'Neill]

If you compare VLN fastest lap in Manthey GT3 (24.3km 8:03) to Manthey GT3 Spa lap time (7km 2:21) there isn't much difference in average speed.

[_Nathan_]

"The" Manthey GT3 - there a quite a few and quite a few different specifications...

Also note the VLN lap includes part of the GP circuit which alters things somewhat.