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    Hi,

    From another Forum, some really good
    pics of the BMW E36 320 ST.

    The rear suspension is a work of art.

    Some of the works E46 M3 GTR Cars run
    an almost identical rear set up.



    Regards,

    The Gorilla.

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      Hi,

      After 2 engine re-builds nearly there
      now, hopefully.

      Just hope its all worth the effort.

      Could be good fun on Track if
      it all works as it should.

      Regards,

      The Gorilla.
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        :smt023

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          ahhh yes :drool:

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            Hi,

            A Colleague down in Auckland NZ,
            Conrad Timms has just completed
            this remarkable project.

            He purchased the Bigazzi MS Shell in a
            well used condition, and then painstakingly rebuilt
            it back to its original glory using all Genuine
            MS parts wherever possible.

            The Engine was originally built by Frank Gardner
            Motorsport in OZ, in the lates 80's using all directly supplied
            MS parts and was used in the B&H DTM car as
            raced by Tony Longhurst.

            Engine makes 360 BHP and will rev to 9500 +.

            I was going to use this engine in my E30 M3 but
            used a CSL lump instead.
            Its good to see Conrad using it for
            what is was intended to be used for after
            investing in a major rebuild.

            The Car is on Par with the BMW Museum E30 M3
            in not only its attention to detail but the fact that
            it still does with aplomb what is was originally
            built for.

            Regards,

            The Gorilla.

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              Excellent build and as you said it's good that he is racing it :thumbs:

              By the way, I love the way BMW inline 6 engines perform... especially when they have 6 TBs

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                Hi,

                Just hope they go as well as they sound
                this coming weekend.

                Testing times suggest that Merc and Audi
                are in front.

                Not sure if I prefer the E46 GTR V8, or the
                E92 V8's now.



                Regards,

                The Gorilla.

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                  Hi,

                  Interesting insight to the 2012
                  DTM Cars this year, in that they
                  are all running with the Carbon
                  Saftey Pods etc.



                  Regards,

                  The Gorilla.

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                    Originally posted by The Gorilla View Post
                    Hi,

                    Just hope they go as well as they sound
                    this coming weekend.

                    Testing times suggest that Merc and Audi
                    are in front.

                    Not sure if I prefer the E46 GTR V8, or the
                    E92 V8's now.
                    That got me thinking I'd go and have a look when they come to Brands.... but then I realised I'm away on business that week, dammit !

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                      Originally posted by The Gorilla View Post
                      Hi,

                      After 2 engine re-builds nearly there
                      now, hopefully.

                      Just hope its all worth the effort.

                      Could be good fun on Track if
                      it all works as it should.

                      Regards,

                      The Gorilla.
                      Is that what I think it is in the back ground? :thumbs:

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                        Gorilla, I'm surprised at the different exhaust solutions on the Merc (in the undercut sides) and BMW (out rear bumper). Is that not regulated? I think the Audi has the same solution as Merc?

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                          Sounds

                          Dont know which i prefer, but these sounds are winning me over this season:


                          Originally posted by The Gorilla View Post
                          Hi,

                          Just hope they go as well as they sound
                          this coming weekend.

                          Testing times suggest that Merc and Audi
                          are in front.

                          Not sure if I prefer the E46 GTR V8, or the
                          E92 V8's now.



                          Regards,

                          The Gorilla.

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                            Hi,

                            Alex- BMW MS are dis-advantaged for the
                            2012 DTM. Lack of Data.

                            Even with the Reg Changes Merc/Audi have
                            so much more Data and Knowledge from
                            the previous years that I personally think
                            BMW could well find it very hard going.

                            The Exhaust point, well spotted, is one of several, and even
                            though Engine power, saftey Cell, Rear Spoiler,
                            Gross Weight etc are very much regulated,
                            its all the 'Data' from the past years that
                            prevents making what can be a wrong and
                            very costly inherent design, that you have
                            to live with all season long.

                            Its very similar to Ferrari's problem this year
                            in that designing the front of the Car for
                            Pull Rod as well as the rear, following on from Red Bull's success
                            with their rear Pull Rod set up,
                            Ferrari discovered that getting it to work
                            is a nightmare.

                            Pull rod is not new to F1, and has the advantage
                            of allowing the suspension to be set down lower
                            in car, but in most cases takes a lot longer to
                            Dial into the car, which the current F1 testing rules
                            now work against.

                            The other issue discussed is that in that current F1
                            Cars run a very high nose it makes the angle of
                            a 'pull rod' on a tangent that makes the Crank bells
                            difficult to get effective damper travel for the suspension
                            settings.

                            Again some of the best brains in the business
                            not having any previous Data or the time [Regs]
                            to create their own.

                            Ironically Ferrari also have a downforce issue
                            caused by their exhaust positioning, which some think will
                            see the exhaust moved further forward so that
                            the 'aero' seals the rear diffuser.

                            It will be interesting to see how BMW and Ferrari
                            respond to these respective issues.

                            Regards,

                            The Gorilla.

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                              Yes, was very surprised and slightly confused by the BMW exhaust as using the undercut side floor for exhaust blowing has been common place in DTM for some years. I know the external rear wing flick-ups have gone now but there is an obvious use to seal the floor nicely to speed up under-car air flow through the diffuser.

                              Ref F1, was I thinking an odd decision for Ferrari to go front pullrod. Their exhaust solution looked wrong from the outset. Those solutions with the slot exhausts are very interesting. I think they are using the airflow to direct the exhaust gases to seal the diffuser at high speed, as you say from much further forward than Ferrari. Then at lower speed it blows the rear wheel hub winglets. Ferrari missed a trick here by maybe only concentrating on the later. I also think the use of exhaust gases from much further forward has been underestimated by the FIA. Everyone expected rapid cooling and dissipation of the gases would have negligible effect. It seems that was wrong!

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                                Originally posted by AlexGTT View Post
                                Yes, was very surprised and slightly confused by the BMW exhaust as using the undercut side floor for exhaust blowing has been common place in DTM for some years. I know the external rear wing flick-ups have gone now but there is an obvious use to seal the floor nicely to speed up under-car air flow through the diffuser.

                                Ref F1, was I thinking an odd decision for Ferrari to go front pullrod. Their exhaust solution looked wrong from the outset. Those solutions with the slot exhausts are very interesting. I think they are using the airflow to direct the exhaust gases to seal the diffuser at high speed, as you say from much further forward than Ferrari. Then at lower speed it blows the rear wheel hub winglets. Ferrari missed a trick here by maybe only concentrating on the later. I also think the use of exhaust gases from much further forward has been underestimated by the FIA. Everyone expected rapid cooling and dissipation of the gases would have negligible effect. It seems that was wrong!

                                Alex, you missed off the reference for the quote :hahaha:. Those paragraphs don't sound welsh to me!

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