shift knobs, what are you using other then the zhp?

[m3f_Sammyzuko_f27405666b]

In fact why on earth do people need/want an ugly armrest?



non-illuminated (because wtf is that for?) ZHP all the way.



lol....I was thinking the same, but didn't feel like rustling any jimmies. While were at it, alantara on parts your hands interact with constantly makes no sense unless it's a rarely driven car.

[m3f_tectonic_b6c14c3391]

As much as people are going to ***** and moan with a bunch of uneducated nonsense... driving gloves make alcantara a worthy upgrade. Get over the false image of yourself wearing driving gloves and you can enjoy these types of materials for decades :thumbsup2: This makes total sense in a daily driver.


Alcantara, although it looks nice, is probably one of the worst choices for steering wheel and shift knob covering material. It's only a matter of time until it's disintegrating and you're exiting the car with little bits of it on your palms. Truth. I bought a Personal steering wheel two years ago and made the mistake of getting suede. I think it took about 2-4 months of everyday use for it become completely deteriorated.


Of course you can back it up and say driving gloves solve the problem. Sure, but the thing is, I really don't want to put on a pair of gloves every time I need to drive somewhere. That and it looks a bit ridiculous. Easy solution, don't buy suede/alcantara if your gonna drive your car every day.


ROFL at all the negative zhp knob comments.


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I was thinking the same thing. I think its a wonderful shifter.

[m3f_Earthwormj_bebae07880]

That's sort-of it. The ZHP knob is worth an armrest delete - indeed the armrest gets in my way even with the stock tall knob.


In fact why on earth do people need/want an ugly armrest? Put two hands on the wheel or use your lap to "rest" if you're really that tired/lazy.


I don't really like an SSK in the e36 and the ZHP is a good, stock looking compromise. As for the aluminium, match it with ACS (rep) alu pedals, handbrake grip and a BMW Motorsport glovebox badge and you're gold.


6-Speed, non-illuminated (because wtf is that for?) ZHP all the way.


I think the arm-rest issue is related to Vaders and the seating positions they allow.


In my 318is which has stock e36 seats, the armrest does not interfere with shifting at all even with a ZHP knob. In my M3, it's constantly in the way and I never use the armrest at all.


Vaders seem capable of going much lower than other seats.

[m3f_matty._8f296fe76d]

Best ssk imo is not really a ssk = z3 coupe shift lever mod. No reason to spend $hundreds on a shifter. Pair it up with oval delrin shift bushings, shift refresh, DIY WSR, and shift knob of choice and call it a day. . You'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.



+2 for never having armrest issues. Sport seat here, though didn't have issues with vaders either :shrugs: I find it easier to take exception to the cup holders. Even with the better OEM cup holder, the placement causes interference with shifting when in use.

[m3f_Earthwormj_bebae07880]

Best ssk imo is not really a ssk = z3 coupe shift lever mod. No reason to spend $hundreds on a shifter. Pair it up with oval delrin shift bushings, shift refresh, DIY WSR, and shift knob of choice and call it a day. . You'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.



+2 for never having armrest issues. Sport seat here, though didn't have issues with vaders either :shrugs: I find it easier to take exception to the cup holders. Even with the better OEM cup holder, the placement causes interference with shifting when in use.



You might have had your vaders set up higher than others.



I have my cup holders in the furthest back position so that drinks don't get bumped.

[m3f_Braymond14_63960d99c1]

That's sort-of it. The ZHP knob is worth an armrest delete - indeed the armrest gets in my way even with the stock tall knob.


In fact why on earth do people need/want an ugly armrest? Put two hands on the wheel or use your lap to "rest" if you're really that tired/lazy.


You mean that thing that hinges up and down to get out of the way when you need it to?


Why are we associating poor driving with an armrest being in the car. I too hate all the tools driving with one hand at 12oclock leaned over on the armrest... but I don't blame the armrest for this. This is the toolbags fault.


It is actually a very nice finishing piece to the interior that gives it a more modern look. That said I've deleted it just to make things more simple.


-Two handed glove wearing upright pole position seat driver.

[m3f_matty._8f296fe76d]

You might have had your vaders set up higher than others.



I have my cup holders in the furthest back position so that drinks don't get bumped.



The seat is all the way down (vertical adjustment). At 6'-1" and 200 lbs there's not much of a choice there. As for the cup holder, not sure what this one is called but its clearly different in that it does not allow for moving around of the coin holder and cup holders, but does actually fit a drink and its OEM. I've owned both styles and prefer this one as the other didn't fit anything short of a kids sippy cup ;P



http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?part=51%2016%208%20413%20622&utm_medium= feed&utm_campaign=googlebase&utm_source=51%2016%20 8%20413%20622&utm_source=ChannelAdvisor&source=CSE &CAWELAID=120131870003433663&CAGPSPN=pla&catargeti d=120131870004748688&cadevice=c&gclid=CNy9wujC-sACFQWUfgodnioAgg

[m3f_Braymond14_63960d99c1]

The seat is all the way down (vertical adjustment). At 6'-1" and 200 lbs there's not much of a choice there. As for the cup holder, not sure what this one is called but its clearly different in that it does not allow for moving around of the coin holder and cup holders, but does actually fit a drink and its OEM. I've owned both styles and prefer this one as the other didn't fit anything short of a kids sippy cup ;P


http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?part=51%2016%208%20413%20622&utm_medium= feed&utm_campaign=googlebase&utm_source=51%2016%20 8%20413%20622&utm_source=ChannelAdvisor&source=CSE &CAWELAID=120131870003433663&CAGPSPN=pla&catargeti d=120131870004748688&cadevice=c&gclid=CNy9wujC-sACFQWUfgodnioAgg


The modular is actually better at holding drinks... not because the cup holders are better, but because you can easily remove the cup holder and very securely hold a trenta Starbucks drink in the gap while canyon carving.

[m3f_Earthwormj_bebae07880]

The seat is all the way down (vertical adjustment). At 6'-1" and 200 lbs there's not much of a choice there. As for the cup holder, not sure what this one is called but its clearly different in that it does not allow for moving around of the coin holder and cup holders, but does actually fit a drink and its OEM. I've owned both styles and prefer this one as the other didn't fit anything short of a kids sippy cup ;P


http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?part=51%2016%208%20413%20622&utm_medium= feed&utm_campaign=googlebase&utm_source=51%2016%20 8%20413%20622&utm_source=ChannelAdvisor&source=CSE &CAWELAID=120131870003433663&CAGPSPN=pla&catargeti d=120131870004748688&cadevice=c&gclid=CNy9wujC-sACFQWUfgodnioAgg


The modular gives you more flexibility though.


Stock form it is pretty terrible at holding anything other than a bottle of beer (kidding...). With some modification though, they can be improved. A guy on BFC sells a better cup holder insert, or you just cut out the bottom of the cup holder inserts, and it can fit actual cups instead of baby bottles.

[m3f_scoobiedoo_9bf48826bc]

You mean that thing that hinges up and down to get out of the way when you need it to?


Why are we associating poor driving with an armrest being in the car. I too hate all the tools driving with one hand at 12oclock leaned over on the armrest... but I don't blame the armrest for this. This is the toolbags fault.


It is actually a very nice finishing piece to the interior that gives it a more modern look. That said I've deleted it just to make things more simple.


-Two handed glove wearing upright pole position seat driver.


have you ever spent time in traffic in a car with harness an fixed back seats? you will not be wanting to do it again. an arm rest is an amazing thing for spending hours in traffic, like there is in the the real world.


i have a track car its not a e36, its a e30 currently in peices with fixed back corbeau seats and no arm rest, also in a ergonomically correct driving setup, your not going to be moving you hand a mile away from the 3 oclock position to shift, as one would with the zcp knob. for example if we reference some real race cars like a porsche 956 or a a lotus 49 look at the position of the shift knop in proportion to the wheel. this is what a two handed glove wearing upright pole posistion seat driver would be expecting, not to drill for oil in the transmission tunnel like your driving a japanese compact.


956

http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/10/25/165115/f4a6e167b14311f38077cc17c2c0b330.jpg

49

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/26/article-2671189-1F2967CB00000578-215_964x636.jpg


and now lets look at the first pic or a e36 with a zhp google found me,


http://i41.tinypic.com/dy26wo.jpg


this shifter is below the bottom of the steering wheel, an if you research the main product and style i asked about in first post, the condor shift knob, youll notice it stops at about above the obc: a factory mushroom shifter is about 2 inches shorter.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/JLav211/IMG_20140820_122437_zps175aa259.jpg

[m3f_Braymond14_63960d99c1]

have you ever spent time in traffic in a car with harness an fixed back seats? you will not be wanting to do it again. an arm rest is an amazing thing for spending hours in traffic, like there is in the the real world.





i have a track car its not a e36, its a e30 currently in peices with fixed back corbeau seats and no arm rest, also in a ergonomically correct driving setup, your not going to be moving you hand a mile away from the 3 oclock position to shift, as one would with the zcp knob. for example if we reference some real race cars like a porsche 956 or a a lotus 49 look at the position of the shift knop in proportion to the wheel. this is what a two handed glove wearing upright pole posistion seat driver would be expecting, not to drill for oil in the transmission tunnel like your driving a japanese compact.



956

http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/10/25/165115/f4a6e167b14311f38077cc17c2c0b330.jpg

49

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/26/article-2671189-1F2967CB00000578-215_964x636.jpg



and now lets look at the first pic or a e36 with a zhp google found me,



http://i41.tinypic.com/dy26wo.jpg



this shifter is below the bottom of the steering wheel.



Why are you quoting me? I'm not against the armrest, the aussie is.



I've owned Pole Positions for over 4 years 50k miles+ in several cars with and without armrest. The armrest isn't needed. I like them though.

[m3f_scoobiedoo_9bf48826bc]

Why are you quoting me? I'm not against the armrest, the aussie is.


I've owned Pole Positions for over 4 years 50k miles+ in several cars with and without armrest. The armrest isn't needed. I like them though.


because the quote button is like a horn its never where you want it to be. stupid smartphone.

[m3f_Braymond14_63960d99c1]

because the quote button is like a horn its never where you want it to be. stupid smartphone.



:thumbsup2:

[m3f_matty._8f296fe76d]

The modular is actually better at holding drinks... not because the cup holders are better, but because you can easily remove the cup holder and very securely hold a trenta Starbucks drink in the gap while canyon carving.



Really a 'trenta' braymond? That makes it a moot point because you know our carbroke asses don't have the $ for those hoity-toity drinks XD

[m3f_Braymond14_63960d99c1]

Really a 'trenta' braymond? That makes it a moot point because you know our carbroke asses don't have the $ for those hoity-toity drinks XD



Ok I don't do trenta drinks... but one will fit.