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[EthanolTurbo]

AlpineMSS makes shitty tunes, not surprised in the least. His ego is 10x his actual tuning ability.

[tdott]

AlpineMSS makes shitty tunes, not surprised in the least. His ego is 10x his actual tuning ability.

It seems that way for a lot of the MSS60 Tunes, unfortunately even custom tuning options aren't great, and who wants to keep paying $1k per tune to find out.

There aren't many options for an off the shelf long tube header tune with a forward placed X pipe. With the improvements Alex made in 2021 for those of us that had problems with the Forward X-pipe, it has been better than most other tunes, better than the BPMSport Stage 2 I had before, I even sent Mike logs after purchasing the logging software he recommended, there was clearly a bog/hesitation issue but he said no improvements could be done. I was willing to pay for a tune revision but he wasn't willing to make any changes. That led me to AlpineMSS at the time.

I'm not really interested in paying again for another tune, or a boatload for custom tuning.

I have issues with other tuners, I've worked on cars that wouldn't throw misfire codes when there was clearly an issue and wasn't running right, flashed back to stock and found misfire codes that led to a bad coil, which means that tune was not detecting misfires which is bad for the motor and it's how motors blow.

At Least I know my AlpineMSS tune detects misfires which I had a bad coil, it atleast throws temp warnings when the car gets too hot on track, since I did the do88 cooling pack, I don't get those anymore, but I heard some tunes don't throw those temperature warnings, which again could lead to damaged motors.


Just some back ground, I'm an HPDE instructor and run time trials events, over 20+ track days last year in the M3, a bit less this year since I got a fully caged Spec E9X car, but i've already done 10 days in the M3 so far this year and plan to do a few more.
Basically the car gets driven hard on Alpine's tune and I feel safer knowing the ECU protections aren't disabled like other tunes.....even if it doesn't make the most power, or his "tuning ability" is often questioned but those throwing shade but have no proof of anything or better examples.
/rant

[EthanolTurbo]

Just some back ground, I'm an HPDE instructor and run time trials events, over 20+ track days last year in the M3, a bit less this year since I got a fully caged Spec E9X car, but i've already done 10 days in the M3 so far this year and plan to do a few more.
Basically the car gets driven hard on Alpine's tune and I feel safer knowing the ECU protections aren't disabled like other tunes.....even if it doesn't make the most power, or his "tuning ability" is often questioned but those throwing shade but have no proof of anything or better examples.
/rant

First, I want to say that going to AlpineMSS is like going to that restauraunt where they treat you like shit on purpose, and being ok with it. Their customer service and attitude is by far the worst in the industry.

Second, I've got plenty of better options you can peruse. Randy@Epic does a really great proven track tune for E9x M3's. And Bend Calibration tuned my friend's E92 M3 that runs a 1:47 at Buttonwillow which is way, way faster than you and I are going... so yes, those are two easily accessible, better options but you yourself said you don't want to spend more money getting a tune.

[tdott]

Randy@Epic does a really great proven track tune for E9x M3's.

After working on several cars with Epic tunes and seeing them not throw misfire codes. I would never run one.

I've also helped several other owners troubleshoot their issues.

Never heard of Bend.

[0-60motorsports]

First, I want to say that going to AlpineMSS is like going to that restauraunt where they treat you like shit on purpose, and being ok with it. Their customer service and attitude is by far the worst in the industry.

Second, I've got plenty of better options you can peruse. Randy@Epic does a really great proven track tune for E9x M3's. And Bend Calibration tuned my friend's E92 M3 that runs a 1:47 at Buttonwillow which is way, way faster than you and I are going... so yes, those are two easily accessible, better options but you yourself said you don't want to spend more money getting a tune.

HTE does them too.

[Tbonem3]

Hassan ftw "hte tuning"

[EthanolTurbo]

HTE does them too.

Forgot about that. Yeah Hassan has done a bunch of E9x M3 racecars.

[Chrisyphus]

I want to preface this by saying: I am not the tuner for Partee, I couldn’t tune a harmonica. Matt Lambert, our tuner and software engineer is. The reason we brought him onto the team is because he takes an entirely different approach to tuning than anyone we’ve ever worked with.

I have issues with other tuners, I've worked on cars that wouldn't throw misfire codes when there was clearly an issue and wasn't running right, flashed back to stock and found misfire codes that led to a bad coil, which means that tune was not detecting misfires which is bad for the motor and it's how motors blow.

This is exceedingly common in the BMW tuning world, not just in the E9x M community, but this paired with how aggressively people push whichever tuner they used for no reason beyond that’s who they spent their money with, is a MAJOR headache for us. It is a large part of why we don’t push our tuning services at all. We’re just not interested in the arguments & would rather focus on taking care of the people who come to us because they know and trust us.

It all stems from the fact that most of these tuners operate in the same softwares and do not understand how to actually manipulate the tables in the DME, they only know how to work within the GUI that was provided to them by a software engineer (who is likely unfamiliar the specific platform being tuned, and has built a relatively generic tool so as to sell to as many users as possible) and are unable to even identify the limits of said software or understand how to leverage the built in safety parameters in a meaningful way that doesn’t just send the car into limp mode. The solution is to simply kill whatever table is sounding the alarm.

All of the E85 tunes on the market to my knowledge are just hacks that trick the DME into flowing the right amount of fuel, rather than controlling the fuel system to deliver the correct amount of Ethanol as defined in the appropriate table.

Matt built a bench unlock tool that allows him to access and edit part of the DME logic that is locked from Siemens (that the BMW engineers do not usually have access to), for this purpose.

First, I want to say that going to AlpineMSS is like going to that restauraunt where they treat you like shit on purpose, and being ok with it. Their customer service and attitude is by far the worst in the industry.

Second, I've got plenty of better options you can peruse. Randy@Epic does a really great proven track tune for E9x M3's. And Bend Calibration tuned my friend's E92 M3 that runs a 1:47 at Buttonwillow which is way, way faster than you and I are going... so yes, those are two easily accessible, better options but you yourself said you don't want to spend more money getting a tune.

To be clear: I don’t want to throw shade, Randy does make an excellent race car tune, but the first paragraph dragging one tuner for poor customer service, and then plugging Epic in the next as a better option actually made me LOL. Again, not trying to bash Randy, we’ve sold a lot of his tunes in the past before hiring Matt. The man makes excellent WOT numbers.

but let’s be real… nearly all tuners have …spicy… personalities lol