What oil?

[Arith2]

Let me assure you FWIW that this was not at all what I meant to do. Apologies if I made it seem that way. I was mostly responding to eacmen's points.

No issue, I was also being sarcastic. It's hard to be serious on an oil thread.... I have to look into Total oil to be consistent because they are partnered with alot of teams as well. Idemitsu is a good oil if you guys have some Japanese cars. I'd use Eneos also but it just costs more. Japanese cars exist to cost the least amount of money

Le Mans is good this year and happening right now. Motortrend has a 14 day free trial so you guys can watch for free with no commercials. I'm pretty mad about the BOP adding 14kg killing the Porsche team. They got sick of them winning I guess.

[Carbonvert]

A prime example is Liquimoly. It's used in the BMWs at Le Mans. I still won't buy it. There's still research to be had on top of it. Motul has a much longer history and more connections. It's partnered with many championships since the 50s, I believe, back when it was an American company. My final choice on Motul over Liquimoly is the HTHS being 5.8 in Motul and 3.5 in Liquimoly. Higher means it has a more resistance to being sheared off the surface versus ease of flow. Motul has fewer detergents and HTHS is better. Liquimoly will give better gas mileage at the expense of not creating a lasting film. It's slight more viscous when cold and about the same at temperature so I think overall, it's better. Flashpoint is basically the same. From oil reports, the ZDDP are higher in both, however, Motul uses molybendum without an additive. Motul is overall cheaper and my opinion is it's better because it's not designed to need additives. Motorsports teams using it just puts me at ease. It's just awesome you can buy the race oil. I know it feels good to think you got me in a gotchya moment, I still look at data.

Motul > LM CHANGE MY MIND

So you are running 8100 X-Power?

Ever tried the 300v in these cars? That’s what the race teams would use


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[IamFODI]

I know it feels good to think you got me in a gotchya moment

Let me assure you FWIW that this was not at all what I meant to do. Apologies if I made it seem that way. I was mostly responding to eacmen's points.

[Arith2]

As much as I wouldn't pick an oil just because a race team used it, I also wouldn't even consider an oil from a company without a successful motorsports program.

A prime example is Liquimoly. It's used in the BMWs at Le Mans. I still won't buy it. There's still research to be had on top of it. Motul has a much longer history and more connections. It's partnered with many championships since the 50s, I believe, back when it was an American company. My final choice on Motul over Liquimoly is the HTHS being 5.8 in Motul and 3.5 in Liquimoly. Higher means it has a more resistance to being sheared off the surface versus ease of flow. Motul has fewer detergents and HTHS is better. Liquimoly will give better gas mileage at the expense of not creating a lasting film. It's slight more viscous when cold and about the same at temperature so I think overall, it's better. Flashpoint is basically the same. From oil reports, the ZDDP are higher in both, however, Motul uses molybendum without an additive. Motul is overall cheaper and my opinion is it's better because it's not designed to need additives. Motorsports teams using it just puts me at ease. It's just awesome you can buy the race oil. I know it feels good to think you got me in a gotchya moment, I still look at data.

Motul > LM CHANGE MY MIND

[IamFODI]

I agree that one shouldn't pick street oil based on race use. But I wouldn't blow off an endurance racing oil for street OCIs just because it's a "racing" oil. Those cars cover a lot of miles in a race (1k to 3k+ AFAIK), and that's almost 100% flat-out. Still a lot different from 7500 street miles in a street engine, but not as different as one might think.

I've used 300V for 5k+ OCIs (100% street) in a tired old S52 with significant fuel dilution. The oil held up fine. Plenty of people have done the same.

IMO, the real benefit of a motorsport program is the same for lubricants as it is for any other part of a car. It's not so much about using parts directly off the race car, though that's cool when it happens. It's mainly about the knowledge, expertise, and partnerships cultivated through racing. As much as I wouldn't pick an oil just because a race team used it, I also wouldn't even consider an oil from a company without a successful motorsports program.

[enjoy_m3]

Personally I wouldn't choose oil by what racing teams use. That oil is changed frequently, for LMP cars usually between races. A formulation that works well for race cars for one weekend is very different than one that lasts 7500 miles.

Dont get me wrong Motul is a quality oil. But looking at the logos on the side of racing cars is not what you should be concerned with.

Currently have a stockpile of Castrol edge that I'm going through. After that going to try either Ravenol or Motul.

I bring some leftover liquimoly to the track in case I need to top off oil, I never use it for a full fill.


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He still didnt get it. LOL!

[tnord]

Marketing rubbish??? What the heck would it matter if it was 4v or 3v or 2v without VVT?

this.

[Arith2]

300V is used in the Motul sponsored cars at Le Mans. This is LMP1, LMP2, and GTE AM teams. We can buy the oil they use and put it in our cars. That's pretty nifty. I don't recall any of those teams having engine failures and I recently watched the 2019 Le Mans. A third of the teams at Le Mans run this oil. The IMSA series has quite a bit of teams using this oil. Motul has good shear resistance too. I don't know how many people actually care about these championships but mostly endurance races. Not saying racing sponsorships are the standard but that's pretty awesome.

[Yar1]

Liqui Moly 10w-60 Synthoil.. some of the best oils and customer service hands down. Both M cars get it.

[Arith2]

Personally I wouldn't choose oil by what racing teams use. That oil is changed frequently, for LMP cars usually between races. A formulation that works well for race cars for one weekend is very different than one that lasts 7500 miles.

Dont get me wrong Motul is a quality oil. But looking at the logos on the side of racing cars is not what you should be concerned with.

Currently have a stockpile of Castrol edge that I'm going through. After that going to try either Ravenol or Motul.

I bring some leftover liquimoly to the track in case I need to top off oil, I never use it for a full fill.


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That's not all I go by 😂 Turner uses Liquimoly in their GT4 and I'm not going to ever use it again. I've very impressed with it in BMWs, Mercedes, Ferraris, Audis, and other stuff. They're the Michelin of oils, and also French. Does anyone here have knowledge on what oils they use for those races?

[r4dr]

I think Motul works well because it was designed well. LMP1 and LMP2 cars use Motul for a reason.

Are they a sponsor? Because that would be my pick for the reason.

[S14]

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whoa awesome!

[S14]

Castrol 10w60 was clearly the favorite, but the real question is if you wanted take advantage of FCPEuro's deal and had to chose between BMW 10w60 and LM 10w60, which way do you go?

I use the BMW 10w60 from FCP. my last oil change, including filters and gaskets net cost was $17.

[digger]

Marketing rubbish??? What the heck would it matter if it was 4v or 3v or 2v without VVT?

vvt often requires higher viscosity to have adequate response time. I simply mentioned 4v it because it seems like a lot of people think the oil knows whether it’s in a bmw or domestic engine

[zzyzx85]

I'll be trying Motul X-Power this weekend after using up my stock of Castrol TWS. I've been happy with Motul in my STI, though that's 5W40.