Are ZCP M3's less desirable than normal ones?

[oceansize]

Just for kicks here is a chart you will like:

[oceansize]

Ask and ye shall receive, no need to guess as I've got all the BAT data . Averages by mileage, transmission and body style



Average by Color:

[Rkymtnrider]

I went to canada to buy my 2002 PY on kiwi w/smg. The import tax was 2.5% and the exchange rate more than made up for it. Seller was asking 17g. can which ended up costing me around 12g. usd. I

[maw1124]

Canadian cars usually sell for less, as it requires $$ and time, and hassle to bring it to states. And BaT is 90% US buyers at this point. So, $35k + BAT fee, plus probably what? $3-4k to bring the car from Canada. Seems like a fair price to me.

Thanks, I forgot about the importation headache. One of these days I may have cause to look into the rules for 25+ year old cars.

maw

[Casa de Mesa]

I think you're off on PY and Mystic, SMG should probably have a bigger hit, and IR interior is probably a +5.

PY, long term, will be a value adder IMO. In terms of blue values, IMO
LSB > Interlagos > Estoril > Topaz > Mystic

Agree, but I'll take the win (Topaz) while the scales are still in my favor. 😁

Sidebar: I know I'm opening myself up to ridicule again, but regarding the blues...

PS. I'm now holding fast to Voodoo Blue. I have a Karb trunk on the way and it will not be painted Topaz.

[lemoose]

I think you're off on PY and Mystic, SMG should probably have a bigger hit, and IR interior is probably a +5.

PY, long term, will be a value adder IMO. In terms of blue values, IMO
LSB > Interlagos > Estoril > Topaz > Mystic

The scale is factual as is.... already got a plaque made and everything.

SMG at -10 is fair as opposed to -15 or -20. SMG is not as much as a nerf as a vert- and ultimately it is not too hard to modify to a 6spd. it is probably easier and less expensive than doing a Dove to black interior swap- hence why Dove interiors get a bigger hit. Interlagos cars get +10 total for both the color and the ZCP package. By itself- the color is not quite as desirable as the other shades that get a +10.

IR interiors can be a little divisive- at least certainly more than Cinnamon which barely eeks out a +5. PY is almost objectively bad. But I guess there is a growing group of people that like to be contrarians and purposefully look for these. We can remove it from the scale as it can be a bit of a wildcard, then.

[Obioban]

May I suggest, the Official e46 M3 Desirability Scale:

All cars start at 50 and you add/subtract the following:

-20 Convertible
-15 Dove interior
-10 SMG
-5 Phoenix Yellow
+ 5 Cinnamon Interior
+ 5 Imola Red, Interlagos Blue, Alpine White
+ 5 Manual Seats
+ 5 2003.5+
+ 5 ZCP
+ 10 Laguna Seca/Topaz/Estoril/Mystic Blue, Oxford Green
+ 10 slicktop
+ 10 M Tex Interior


Apologies to PY on dove SMG Vert owners I have offended.

I think you're off on PY and Mystic, SMG should probably have a bigger hit, and IR interior is probably a +5.

PY, long term, will be a value adder IMO. In terms of blue values, IMO
LSB > Interlagos > Estoril > Topaz > Mystic

[TexaZ3]

Unless I'm missing something wrong with this car (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-bmw-m3-coupe-71/) the "market" is equally split on whether the ZCP premium is worthwhile. I mean, a 2005 with under 80k on the clock and no accidents for under $35k?

Canadian cars usually sell for less, as it requires $$ and time, and hassle to bring it to states. And BaT is 90% US buyers at this point. So, $35k + BAT fee, plus probably what? $3-4k to bring the car from Canada. Seems like a fair price to me.

[tcp]

May I suggest, the Official e46 M3 Desirability Scale:

All cars start at 50 and you add/subtract the following:

-20 Convertible
-15 Dove interior
-10 SMG
-5 Phoenix Yellow
+ 5 Cinnamon Interior
+ 5 Imola Red, Interlagos Blue, Alpine White
+ 5 Manual Seats
+ 5 2003.5+
+ 5 ZCP
+ 10 Laguna Seca/Topaz/Estoril/Mystic Blue, Oxford Green
+ 10 slicktop
+ 10 M Tex Interior


Apologies to PY on dove SMG Vert owners I have offended.

50 + 5 (manual seats) + 5 (2003.5) + 10 (Mystic Blue) + 10 (slicktop) + 10 (M Tex) = 90.

Seems legit.

[lemoose]

50 +5 (2003.5) +10 (slicktop) = i'm only sittin at 65 🤔

Going to need to modify your scoring key.

Hey still better than my 50 point prefacelift
Black on TiAg

[Casa de Mesa]

May I suggest, the Official e46 M3 Desirability Scale:

All cars start at 50 and you add/subtract the following:

-20 Convertible
-15 Dove interior
-10 SMG
-5 Phoenix Yellow
+ 5 Cinnamon Interior
+ 5 Imola Red, Interlagos Blue, Alpine White
+ 5 Manual Seats
+ 5 2003.5+
+ 5 ZCP
+ 10 Laguna Seca/Topaz/Estoril/Mystic Blue, Oxford Green
+ 10 slicktop
+ 10 M Tex Interior


Apologies to PY on dove SMG Vert owners I have offended.

Mostly ok. But +10 for PY. Baby Crap Yellow FTW!

[jet_dogg]

May I suggest, the Official e46 M3 Desirability Scale:

All cars start at 50 and you add/subtract the following:

-20 Convertible
-15 Dove interior
-10 SMG
-5 Phoenix Yellow
+ 5 Cinnamon Interior
+ 5 Imola Red, Interlagos Blue, Alpine White
+ 5 Manual Seats
+ 5 2003.5+
+ 5 ZCP
+ 10 Laguna Seca/Topaz/Estoril/Mystic Blue, Oxford Green
+ 10 slicktop
+ 10 M Tex Interior


Apologies to PY on dove SMG Vert owners I have offended.

50 +5 (2003.5) +10 (slicktop) = i'm only sittin at 65 🤔

Going to need to modify your scoring key.

[lemoose]

May I suggest, the Official e46 M3 Desirability Scale:

All cars start at 50 and you add/subtract the following:

-20 Convertible
-15 Dove interior
-10 SMG
+ 5 Cinnamon Interior
+ 5 Imola Red, Interlagos Blue, Alpine White
+ 5 Manual Seats
+ 5 2003.5+
+ 5 ZCP
+ 10 Laguna Seca/Topaz/Estoril/Mystic Blue, Oxford Green
+ 10 slicktop
+ 10 M Tex Interior

[maw1124]

Man, this poll is a hung jury right now. 24 yes, 24 no.

This poll has to be rigged.

Unless I'm missing something wrong with this car (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-bmw-m3-coupe-71/) the "market" is equally split on whether the ZCP premium is worthwhile. I mean, a 2005 with under 80k on the clock and no accidents for under $35k?

So it seems to me that OP has asked a very astute question at a very appropriate time, and both the polling of members here and the "market" out there are very much undecided.

At this rate, convertibles will be trading higher into the future...🤣😂...

I understand, it's easy to assume "ooh the rare model will be the one to have; and it's Competition"... but I looked at it and was like "Nah I'm straight... it's not much different, and I'm not sure I care about the differences... certainly not at the expense of a drop top."

maw

[Nate047]

Alcantara f--king sucks and you can't change my mind on this.

Non comp ftw.

Agree, I really dislike every time I get a press car that has one and I would never put one on my own street car. Track car only equipment IMO.