Will miss the combustion engine..

[02_lsb]

If EVs are inevitable, then pre Bangle ///M car prices are about to go through another round of price hikes.

[Icecream]

It is pretty laughable to me that people think that EVs will take over so thoroughly in 10-20 years that gas stations won’t even exist, lol. As if like 70% of people aren’t currently driving cars over 10 years old and could afford to purchase some hypothetical cheap EV even if it does come to exist in a decade. The transition will happen far slower than that. It will be a miracle for the environment if 50% of new vehicles sold in 2030 are EVs.

Crazier things have happened. When EV kias are leasing for 200 a month and no fuel/maintenance cost, suddenly it makes much more sense to get into one instead of that 10+ year old clunker and it can change over much quicker than you think. Gas cars make zero sense for 99% of drivers now that EV's have the range and power to be usable and are affordable. For now, best we can hope for is gas stations turn into EV stations with a couple pumps full of 3 month old gas for the 1%.

I will leave this here though. I want one...bad

[Obioban]

If EVs are inevitable, then pre Bangle ///M car prices are about to go through another round of price hikes.

Long term, I think the opposite effect will occur. Not that I intend to sell my M3 or M5

[02_lsb]

Long term, I think the opposite effect will occur. Not that I intend to sell my M3 or M5

I agree with prior comments that ICE cars will turn into weekend cars.

[tnord]

What’s going to push it faster than people expect, imo, will be the sudden increase in inconvenience/expense of getting gas.

well, that and $15,000 Chinese EV’s that are half paid for by the $7500 US government rebate on EVs, which help to create the above situation. $7500 new, cheaper used cars with 1/5 the fueling bill and near zero upkeep is a pretty compelling combo for people that would otherwise hold onto old cheap cars.

I'm in this bucket. I daily my e90 330 with 115k that gets beat on moving kids around and driven in the winter. I'm currently on the lookout for an e39 M5 to replace it now that the kids are bigger and not quite as bad on the car. But at the same time if there was a cool EV for a reasonable price, I'd probably go that direction instead.

somebody asked earlier if range matters, it absolutely does. we regularly take trips to see family 200 and 450 miles away. Driving across central Kansas there are absolutely no places to stop for a quick charge, and about 80 miles where there isn't even a gas station. Going up I35 through Iowa is better, but I still wouldn't expect quick charge stations to show up anywhere but Des Moines or Ames in the next 5 years.

I could swap my car out for an EV, but that's definitely a deterrent to giving up the X5.

[02_lsb]

I'm in this bucket. I daily my e90 330 with 115k that gets beat on moving kids around and driven in the winter. I'm currently on the lookout for an e39 M5 to replace it now that the kids are bigger and not quite as bad on the car. But at the same time if there was a cool EV for a reasonable price, I'd probably go that direction instead.

somebody asked earlier if range matters, it absolutely does. we regularly take trips to see family 200 and 450 miles away. Driving across central Kansas there are absolutely no places to stop for a quick charge, and about 80 miles where there isn't even a gas station. Going up I35 through Iowa is better, but I still wouldn't expect quick charge stations to show up anywhere but Des Moines or Ames in the next 5 years.

I could swap my car out for an EV, but that's definitely a deterrent to giving up the X5.

Less to the point, but E39 M5 is at best 22 years old and has what appears like zero rust coating. Those e60/90/70 cars seem to do pretty well in cold climates. I have an e61 with ~225k miles and it’s doing pretty well having spent all of its life in the NE and mid Atlantic regions.

More to the point, just because a company makes an EV, doesn’t mean it’s any good — see Chevy Bolt.

[Obioban]

Less to the point, but E39 M5 is at best 22 years old and has what appears like zero rust coating. Those e60/90/70 cars seem to do pretty well in cold climates. I have an e61 with ~225k miles and it’s doing pretty well having spent all of its life in the NE and mid Atlantic regions.

More to the point, just because a company makes an EV, doesn’t mean it’s any good — see Chevy Bolt.

The e39 has pretty significant rust coating. That said, it's not an Alu chassis, like the e61, so not going to do as well with rust as it.

But, to your point, my e39 M5 is ~200,000 miles, PA all it's life, winter drive all it's life, doing pretty well.

But, unlike the e61, it is waterproof

[Obioban]

I agree with prior comments that ICE cars will turn into weekend cars.

I think that's correct. I just think that the people doing that will be buying gas in bottled gallons at advance auto parts, because that kind of use case is insufficient to support the gas station/delivery infrastructure.

... and I'm not sure doing such things will care about cars compromised for practicality, like M cars. They'll likely be wanting to max out that ICEV experience-- lotuses, ferraris, porsches, etc.

[02_lsb]

The e39 has pretty significant rust coating. That said, it's not an Alu chassis, like the e61, so not going to do as well with rust as it.

But, unlike the e61, it is waterproof

lol. You had to go there on the e61s… Well, thank you for asking:
-sunroof drains get cleaned annually
-check valves in the rear bumper have been removed
-there is absolutely no need to relocate electronics if 1+2 are satisfied.
-n52 is an absolute gem when coupled with a 6 speed manual.
















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I would take a used Model S (p90d or greater) to replace it as my daily driver, any day. Currently, used model s prices for desirable trim models are astronomical making the simple payback less attainable (unless you live in say California where gas is significantly higher than rest of the US). Also, as mentioned earlier — attempt to source any tesla parts and you quickly begin to appreciate ECS/FCP.

edit: I guess they ran out of the said rust protection in the fuel door of the said e39 , but I still hope to own an imola e39 one day.

[tnord]

e90 engine options are going to end up being more maintenance than the S62 I think. The M series V8 in the e60 was way less reliable than the M62 wasn't it? Maybe the N55 would be a good option instead.

anyway....ol elon really turns me off from tesla I have to admit, and I don't see another good option out there.

[02_lsb]

e90 engine options are going to end up being more maintenance than the S62 I think. The M series V8 in the e60 was way less reliable than the M62 wasn't it? Maybe the N55 would be a good option instead.

anyway....ol elon really turns me off from tesla I have to admit, and I don't see another good option out there.

you have no miles on the n52.

[Obioban]

lol. You had to go there on the e61s… Well, thank you for asking:
-sunroof drains get cleaned annually
-check valves in the rear bumper have been removed
-there is absolutely no need to relocate electronics if 1+2 are satisfied.
-n52 is an absolute gem when coupled with a 6 speed manual.
















but


I would take a used Model S (p90d or greater) to replace it as my daily driver, any day. Currently, used model s prices for desirable trim models are astronomical making the simple payback less attainable (unless you live in say California where gas is significantly higher than rest of the US). Also, as mentioned earlier — attempt to source any tesla parts and you quickly begin to appreciate ECS/FCP.

edit: I guess they ran out of the said rust protection in the fuel door of the said e39 , but I still hope to own an imola e39 one day.

Parts support and lack of CarPlay is why there’s no Tesla in my future.

N52 is spectacular, especially when combine with headers and 3 stage DISA/tune. 326 lb motor, ~300hp NA, pretty fuel economy and reliability. Best engine of that era by far, imo.

[02_lsb]

Parts support and lack of CarPlay is why there’s no Tesla in my future.

N52 is spectacular, especially when combine with headers and 3 stage DISA/tune. 326 lb motor, ~300hp NA, pretty fuel economy and reliability. Best engine of that era by far, imo.

I do have the 3 stage intake, it’s a 530xit, but I decided against all the noise and tune. Full supersprint in my e46 is enough.

For anyone out there mulling over a cheap, fun, fuel efficient daily, highly recommend a bangle era naturally aspirated 3 or 5 series. Yes. I said it.

[repoman89]

I think that's correct. I just think that the people doing that will be buying gas in bottled gallons at advance auto parts, because that kind of use case is insufficient to support the gas station/delivery infrastructure.

... and I'm not sure doing such things will care about cars compromised for practicality, like M cars. They'll likely be wanting to max out that ICEV experience-- lotuses, ferraris, porsches, etc.

That will certainly happen eventually. I would bet a lot of money that it’s not going to be in 10 years and a little less money that it won’t be in 20. I also think it’s unlikely that cheap $15,000 Chinese EVs will be sold here considering the political atmosphere between the two countries. Most people don’t buy new cars, or rent an apartment and have nowhere to charge because they’re fighting for street parking in a city … that’s going to take time to change and it will take time for used EVs to trickle down to the median person who makes like $50k.

I would put 30-40 years until gas is sold only at autozone as a more realistic estimate. 20 is a blink of an eye when it comes to a complete tear down and rebuild of a highly transportation dependent country’s infrastructure, especially when the marginal utility of an ICE vs EV is very similar despite EVs generally being better for regular people. GM says it will sell its last ICE vehicles in 2035 .. if it meets that, 15 years of support for those final vehicles seems about right. Half of the cars I see on the road are 10-15 years old and that’s in a wealthy part of the country where cars rust out.

[repoman89]

For anyone out there mulling over a cheap, fun, fuel efficient daily, highly recommend a bangle era naturally aspirated 3 or 5 series. Yes. I said it.

I’ve been thinking about one of these as a winter beater. Nobody likes them so they’re cheap and they seem pretty rust proof. IMO they’re aging pretty well too, I used to hate their looks much more than I do now.