why is E85 still in our petrol supply

[franklin]

At least in the USA?

[r4dr]

Are politics even allowed on here? Because there's no way to answer that otherwise.

[Tbonem3]

What a thread

[Arith2]

The all powerful EPA makes rules based on biased information like every other government organization. Someone chokes on the good idea fairy and bam, they change something. 30 years ago, they swore we were heading into an ice age because of emissions. E85 at the pump is quite stupid but coincidentally is actually can make more power than gasoline. Look at how many cars can actually use it from the factory... Probably less than 1%. It's better for the environment though

[Obioban]

Corn lobby. Garbage.

Also garbage: corn syrup.

[Derek //M]

Corn lobby. Garbage.

Also garbage: corn syrup.

Agreed

[Jimbo's M]

E85 at the pump is quite stupid but coincidentally is actually can make more power than gasoline.

Stupid? Why? Just about everyone here is always seeking more power, E85 makes that happen in a very noticeable way with this platform. What IS garbage is the E10 winter blend. Not only, it burns cooler, and living where you get well over fifty, one hundred degree days per year, 2500' elevation, a/c blasting away, with 100 octane, I never worry about it pulling timing. Just sayin'...

[Arith2]

Stupid? Why? Just about everyone here is always seeking more power, E85 makes that happen in a very noticeable way with this platform. What IS garbage is the E10 winter blend. Not only, it burns cooler, and living where you get well over fifty, one hundred degree days per year, 2500' elevation, a/c blasting away, with 100 octane, I never worry about it pulling timing. Just sayin'...

So many cars aren't designed for it and it'll wreak havoc on fuel systems. I agree with you but from a business standpoint, it's political, nothing really more. Aftermarket probably doesn't exist in these politicians minds. Most gas stations don't carry it for a reason, it doesn't sell. Good luck finding it outside a city. Sometimes people drive 50 miles to get E85. I did a little research on E85 and I go around actually trying to promote it as cheap race fuel. Essentially that's what it is. I just wish it was E85 and not E50-E80. That can also cause serious problems in an engine making pump E85 even more dumb. Thankfully companies like AFD recognized this idiocy and designed a sensor for it. Of course GM had to design this ad well but flex fuel is one of those, check the box, career progression ideas. Conveniently it's better for power but I'm 100% that had nothing to do with it.

[Jimbo's M]

So many cars aren't designed for it and it'll wreak havoc on fuel systems. I just wish it was E85 and not E50-E80. That can also cause serious problems in an engine making pump E85 even more dumb. Thankfully companies like AFD recognized this idiocy and designed a sensor for it.

Hence why it's a kit. It's not just the "ECU" portion, it comes with fuel lines and the such.
You contradict yourself about E50-E85 comment...you say it's dumb, yet you acknowledge that the kit auto adapts, which it does. You can run straight gasoline or straight E85, and everything in between. I've run E50, works like a charm. Personally, I prefer around E60 to achieve around 100 octane, and that's what I mix for.
Like I've said before, I've been on ~E60 for 15 months now with no issues whatsoever, and this is my only car. And if E85 goes away, I can go straight back to gas and not skip a beat other than losing considerable power.

[Ruley]

You get more power, but not with the same amount. You have to dump more fuel to achieve the same bang. Not to mention it dries out seals and absorbs moisture.

[Jimbo's M]

You get more power, but not with the same amount. You have to dump more fuel to achieve the same bang. Not to mention it dries out seals and absorbs moisture.

True.The power comes from the octane boost and the DME's ability to adapt with our 11.5-1 compression ratio. If unleaded gasoline was readily available at 100 octane, we wouldn't even be having this conversation...

[Arith2]

Hence why it's a kit. It's not just the "ECU" portion, it comes with fuel lines and the such.
You contradict yourself about E50-E85 comment...you say it's dumb, yet you acknowledge that the kit auto adapts, which it does. You can run straight gasoline or straight E85, and everything in between. I've run E50, works like a charm. Personally, I prefer around E60 to achieve around 100 octane, and that's what I mix for.
Like I've said before, I've been on ~E60 for 15 months now with no issues whatsoever, and this is my only car. And if E85 goes away, I can go straight back to gas and not skip a beat other than losing considerable power.

I don't contradict myself. The reason, which I already said was political, is completely stupid. Ethanol is not good for fuel systems not designed for it, which are most including ours. It is most certainly bad for seals and absorbs water easily and quickly. Most drivers aren't car people so most people aren't going to be utilizing it. EV is now the huge push, not E85. E20 is going to cause problems on stock fuel systems if it's implemented. We'd all be riding horses with fart catalytic converters strapped on with biodegradable ropes if the EPA had its way.

[Jimbo's M]

Ethanol is not good for fuel systems not designed for it, which are most including ours.

Obviously me stating several times that 15 months on this system with ZERO issues is completely meaningless. I've never run straight gas since. I'll happily continue putting E60 in my 18+ year old car.

[Obioban]

All the flex fuel solutions on the market for this car I know if are piggybacks... hacks I wouldn’t run. Long term they always cause issues (beyond the issues ethanol itself can cause).

Ethanol also clogs carburetors, making it terrible for all lawn equipment. it’s also terrible any time you park a car/anything for an extended period.

[Jimbo's M]

All the flex fuel solutions on the market for this car I know if are piggybacks... hacks I wouldn’t run. Long term they always cause issues (beyond the issues ethanol itself can cause).

Ethanol also clogs carburetors, making it terrible for all lawn equipment. it’s also terrible any time you park a car/anything for an extended period.

I'm sure AFD would love to be known as a "hack". Since I don't have a carb and don't sit my car for months at a time, and yes, I still run Techron through occasionally, I seem just fine. Bash all you want.