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    Cost effective all season tire recommendation

    While I really need to sell (read: trade it for an automatic transmission vehicle my 3 teenagers can drive) my 2002 M3, I can't quite bring myself to do it yet. That being said, the PSSs I have on the rear are way past due to be replaced, and thanks to a series of tire punctures, I have PS4s on in the front that don't need to be replaced (but I will if it makes sense on the tire recommendations.)

    I'm in the DMV, where we don't get much snow or super cold weather, and I leave the car inside when the weather is bad, but very occasionally, I'll need to pick up a kid from school/event/whatever and I may get stuck in some light snow, or colder road conditions.

    Seeing as I really do need to re-home my M3 sooner than later, I don't want to throw down and just throw expensive Michelin PS4s or All Seasons, as the next owner will most likely have different needs.

    Any cost effective recommendations? Thanks in advance.

    #2
    Do you need 18s or 19s?
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      #3
      Originally posted by jbfrancis3 View Post
      Do you need 18s or 19s?
      My bad, I meant to throw in the specs. 8.5x19/10x19 stagger. Currently have 245/35/19 on the front and 270/30/19 on the rears.

      Thank you!

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        #4
        You may actually save money by getting some 18s and swapping for cold season. It will pay itself off in a couple years. 18s have alot more all season, cost efficient tires.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Arith2 View Post
          You may actually save money by getting some 18s and swapping for cold season. It will pay itself off in a couple years. 18s have alot more all season, cost efficient tires.
          Thanks for the suggestion, but space for an extra set is an issue (condo living) as well as I really need to force myself to find a new owner for the car in the next few months. I'll have my 3rd kid with a driver's license in January and both my cars are manual cars with around 500HP. The M3 needs to go.

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            #6
            I have Michelin AS4 right now on my ZCP wheels. I don’t use them during winter but as a summer tires they are completely fine. And they were 1/2 price of Michelin PS4.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Gt4 View Post
              I have Michelin AS4 right now on my ZCP wheels. I don’t use them during winter but as a summer tires they are completely fine. And they were 1/2 price of Michelin PS4.
              I remember way back when Bridgestone Pole Position S-02 were kings and then of course Michelin PS2's took the street tire world by storm. Since then of course Michelin has made their revisions and variations of the Pilot Super Sport. I used to only equip my cars with whatever Michelin's best summer tire was until I had to deal with snow a few times. Changed to I believe what was then the PSS AS3, and haven't looked back when it comes to a daily street car. I automatically throw on PSS AS and call it a day if it's for a car I will put 30k miles every 2-3 years. It doesn't snow much here, but all it takes is one day to get caught in it to make you regret daily'ing summer tires, they turn into little Flintstones rocks.

              Like Gt4 mentions, for the type of driving done on the street, the all-seasons are very capable and a better all-rounder.

              Since I know I will rarely put miles on the M3, I threw on Bridgestone's RE71RS, and I love them so far. I never thought I would be riding on Bridgestones again...
              Last edited by ugaexploder; 09-18-2023, 06:52 AM.
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                #8
                When I lived in Baltimore I ran my Hankook V12's year-round and never drove in the snow. If I was still out there I'd definitely be looking at 4s but since you're going to sell the car might as well go with something budget-friendly like the Hankooks
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                  #9
                  Tbh I would just replace the rears with two new PS4s in your situation to match the fronts. It’ll be the most cost effective solution and the tires are a selling point for the M3 when you get rid of it. Mismatched tires front to rear should certainly be a non-starter.

                  I have PS4s on my M5 and drive it around town occasionally down to ~20F on dry roads. It’s fine. Odds that you have to drive the car in snow in DC within the next few months are very low. Most years we don’t even get snow in Boston by that time of year.
                  Last edited by repoman89; 09-18-2023, 09:28 AM.

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                    #10
                    ^^^ This… match up the set and be done. I wear Conti DWS all season everywhere from Michigan to FL, never had a problem. The extra performance at the limit for summer tires has never been a feature of my ownership. This car and the S55 came with summers that got vocal and brittle with age and the cars have never seen a summer tire since. They don’t see snow but the Allroad does, and it wears the same tires because me. For 80% of what the car is going to see, All Season is just as good as summer. Extreme performance or extreme cold or snow will change that, but unless you’re going to get the kids in a snow storm, you’re probably fine. And if you get caught out, send an Uber Black to get them.

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                    Last edited by maw1124; 09-18-2023, 02:19 PM.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ugaexploder View Post

                      I remember way back when Bridgestone Pole Position S-02 were kings and then of course Michelin PS2's took the street tire world by storm. Since then of course Michelin has made their revisions and variations of the Pilot Super Sport. I used to only equip my cars with whatever Michelin's best summer tire was until I had to deal with snow a few times. Changed to I believe what was then the PSS AS3, and haven't looked back when it comes to a daily street car. I automatically throw on PSS AS and call it a day if it's for a car I will put 30k miles every 2-3 years. It doesn't snow much here, but all it takes is one day to get caught in it to make you regret daily'ing summer tires, they turn into little Flintstones rocks.

                      Like Gt4 mentions, for the type of driving done on the street, the all-seasons are very capable and a better all-rounder.

                      Since I know I will rarely put miles on the M3, I threw on Bridgestone's RE71RS, and I love them so far. I never thought I would be riding on Bridgestones again...
                      I think I had s-02s or s-03s on my LMs when I first got my car, then re-71r after if I remember correctly. It had so much grip I could not keep it sliding with my remotely canned shocks no matter what after popping the clutch.

                      As soon as the rear stepped out, I'd barely lift and the car would straighten out like an arrow frustratingly quick. The sidewalls were stiff as fuck, car rode horribly once the tires were worn and deafening near time of replacement which was $1200 every 10k miles.

                      I remember going back to 225/255 ps sports and it felt like the car was skating on ice by contrast.​
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                        #12
                        I have continental all seasons on my car in 19 inch. I would post an empty highway pull video in the light rain but I know I’ll get crap from the internet police.

                        $1018 for a set of 4 from discount tire direct shipped to my door.

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                          #13
                          All seasons are mostly useless in snow. You really want snow tires for a couple of reasons.

                          If it was a Nissan Altima...by all means put all seasons on it and no big deal if you guard rail it. An M3? I'd be a little more cautious.

                          All season tires are like poly bushings - all the downsides with no benefits. Get the snows and enjoy driving in the snow which is kind of the point of the car - fun and enjoyment. And if you go to the trouble to park an M3 indoors for the purpose of preserving it...I'm sure you can find a way to temporarily store 4 wheels and tires. I'd get a climate controlled small storage locker so you can put the wheels and tires among other things in there.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by bigjae46 View Post
                            All seasons are mostly useless in snow. You really want snow tires for a couple of reasons.

                            If it was a Nissan Altima...by all means put all seasons on it and no big deal if you guard rail it. An M3? I'd be a little more cautious.

                            All season tires are like poly bushings - all the downsides with no benefits. Get the snows and enjoy driving in the snow which is kind of the point of the car - fun and enjoyment. And if you go to the trouble to park an M3 indoors for the purpose of preserving it...I'm sure you can find a way to temporarily store 4 wheels and tires. I'd get a climate controlled small storage locker so you can put the wheels and tires among other things in there.
                            I have an AWD Altima up in Ny which performs surprisingly well in the snow with all season contis. Then again, this is AWD and now RWD like the M3.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by c watson View Post

                              I have an AWD Altima up in Ny which performs surprisingly well in the snow with all season contis. Then again, this is AWD and now RWD like the M3.
                              I did get caught in a 1/2" of snow with pilot super sports...haha...they were total garbage.

                              Especially with RWD the difference between snows and all seasons is massive.

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