OE Euro headers vs copies - worth it?

[bigjae46]

China can copy tubing sizes, bends, and merges, and therefore can usually produce a header that does in fact make decent power... because they're just copying someone else's R&D.

The part where they fall short is material quality, and welds. If your header's welds pop after a year, did you really save any money?

China can't copy this.

Actually that may not be a great weld. Blue/purple on stainless is oxidation which promotes corrosion. A gold/copper color indicates a properly shielded (and won't corrode) weld.

[Chas3n]

There is the slave labor, genocide, forced organ harvesting, using rape as a form of torture, utter devastation of the environment, and doing everything they can to destroy our country.

but, hey, cheaper headers!

Lol as most of your technology is all from China.. but good to know you stop at their headers!


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[Jimbo's M]

Lol as most of your technology is all from China.. but good to know you stop at their headers!

Is that what you got outta that? The thread is about headers. AFAIC, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Period.

[bigjae46]

Lol as most of your technology is all from China.. but good to know you stop at their headers!


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Tech was invented or created here and then produced in China. And later copied. China hasn't innovated shit in the last 30 years.

[digger]

China can copy tubing sizes, bends, and merges, and therefore can usually produce a header that does in fact make decent power... because they're just copying someone else's R&D.

The part where they fall short is material quality, and welds. If your header's welds pop after a year, did you really save any money?

China can't copy this.

China can also undercut the weld weld like them best of them

[simonnim]

If someone is born here. And then educated here. But, opens a factory and designs and engineers parts to be made, produced in China, then exported for a lower price, is it still considered poor quality just because it's made in China?

Not trying to provoke, just gotta ask.

Because one of the goals of an engineer is to produce the best product ensuring it meets correct standards and also most cost effective.

Also wanted to bring attention of some things I have designed specifically for m5board. Shipped to members at cost, but I highly over engineered the part for the sake of never looking at it again.

https://www.m5board.com/threads/side-mirror-folding-fix.453370/page-3

Same name there. I haven't been there since I've sold my m5.

[discoelk]

OP, keep in mind some of the people complaining about China have no problem supporting the Russian economy(directly or indirectly).

I don't have any skin in the game here and I think there are plenty of good reasons to buy the highest quality parts you can. By folks own admission, the Supersprint stuff isn't perfect either though...

Just my 2c. YMMV.

[Jimbo's M]

OP, keep in mind some of the people complaining about China have no problem supporting the Russian economy(directly or indirectly).

Wow. Didn't know Russia was in the header business...or anything else for that matter. Nice generality that you have zero evidence of.

[jet_dogg]

Haha well that came out of left field.

[dukeofchen]

I for one dream of the day when bent tubes will not be judged by the country of their origin, but by the benefits of their installation.


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[repoman89]

Wow. Didn't know Russia was in the header business...or anything else for that matter. Nice generality that you have zero evidence of.

He’s referring to a certain carbon front brace and rear strengthening wall … both of which have been enthusiastically embraced by this community despite having to trade USD for Rubles to pay for it. The particular Russian product does seem to be a quality part, so at least there’s that.

[Jimbo's M]

He’s referring to a certain carbon front brace and rear strengthening wall … both of which have been enthusiastically embraced by this community despite having to trade USD for Rubles to pay for it. The particular Russian product does seem to be a quality part, so at least there’s that.

Oh.

[Nate047]

Apex wheels are made in China / Taiwan, and they are all reps aka fakes based off other other people's designs. But somehow they get a pass by like 95% of the community. Get off your high horses, guys.

[Obioban]

OP, keep in mind some of the people complaining about China have no problem supporting the Russian economy(directly or indirectly).

I don't have any skin in the game here and I think there are plenty of good reasons to buy the highest quality parts you can. By folks own admission, the Supersprint stuff isn't perfect either though...

Just my 2c. YMMV.

I don't think Russia is remotely as morally problematic as China, but the second line is really the crux of my care anyway. The Slon parts are almost certainly the highest quality aftermarket parts I've ever purchased, AND they're an innovative/new part (instead of just copying someone else's design).

[jet_dogg]

Apex wheels are made in China / Taiwan, and they are all reps aka fakes based off other other people's designs. But somehow they get a pass by like 95% of the community. Get off your high horses, guys.

You see their newest blatant ripoff? Shameful, in fact embarrassing.

Slon already explained their pricing due to international raw material sourcing but I guess that wasn't good enough so the exchange rate argument had to be brought up again in a separate thread.