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    Debunking the "sweet spot" tooth when adjusting S54 timing

    I have seen many videos on YouTube and heard it from some friends who work on their M3s. The myth is that for the VANOS to operate to its full range, it's important to insert the slanted tooth on the VANOS splined shaft which requires the least amount of rotation of the hub. My understanding is that this is simply not true.

    The range of motion you see when the hub bolts are undone has nothing to do with the range of motion of the VANOS when the engine is running, right? I mean when the bolts are tight and the engine is running the bolts aren’t moving anymore in the slots on the camshaft sprocket ring. These slots aren’t the factor limiting the angular motion of the cams or the linear motion of the VANOS pistons on their axes during VANOS phasing. With the engine running, your camshafts will be phased (slightly rotated relative to the camshaft sprocket rings) by the VANOS pistons moving in and out of the VANOS. The only thing limiting this motion is the allowed range of linear motion of the VANOS piston limited only by the caps at the end of the vanos and the camshafts on the other end. So whether you used a sweet spot or not will not affect that range, but it is still desirable that you do not overturn that hub upon VANOS shaft insertion, because if you did you may run out of range and not be able to fully insert the vanos or force the cams to turn as you push it (which will affect timing and you won’t be able to insert these dowel pins anymore). While the "sweet spot" thing is a myth, you should not skip a tooth that would have been aligned when turning the hub until a tooth catches, and should aim to use the first set of matching teeth.

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    Last edited by E46m3zcp; 07-24-2024, 05:33 AM.

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    So I was watching some S54 related videos and I came about this one. The guy in the video talks about a "sweet spot" where the amount of movement achieved by the vanos splined shafts is the maximum and talks about a theoretical power gain and/or a broader power band. Does this make any sense or is it just a myth?


    Lots of discussion within this thread as well. Topic has been pretty beat...

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    Here as well

    what is the procedure to find the "sweet" tooth on the spline gear against a new exhaust hub? I saw a couple of vids on marking against original hubs but not while installing a new one. Can someone point me to a video?
    Last edited by oceansize; 07-24-2024, 05:55 AM.
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      #3
      Ok, my bad for not having researched first.

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        #4
        LOL, I just was thinking about this as I am changing diaphragm springs and need to reset timing. I do not think it matters, anywhere in the BMW literature this is mentioned, if it was important it would be a note on the procedure, so I do think it would not matter where you put the spline in.

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          #5
          Here’s a YouTube video of S54 factory production…at 6:10 he puts the VANOS body on with the splines and just puts it on the first available tooth after moving the hubs to farthest right position, doesn’t look like there’s any “sweet spot” searching going on. But imo, doesn’t hurt to do it…

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            #6
            I dont think it makes one bit of difference. It's just one of those OCD things that "feels right"

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              #7
              The first tooth engagement will vary depending on how you positioned the elongated holes on the intake and exhaust sprockets.

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                #8
                I completely and 100% agree there is zero benefit to it....

                ... and do it anyway. Feels so nice. There's also no downside

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                  #9
                  BMW TIS describes this procedure of finding the best tooth in the timing documentation for the Euro S50, so it is not just some made up thing.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by bmwfnatic View Post
                    BMW TIS describes this procedure of finding the best tooth in the timing documentation for the Euro S50, so it is not just some made up thing.
                    No, but it's also not a meaningful thing on on the S54 because every tooth can get the full range of vanos travel.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by bmwfnatic View Post
                      BMW TIS describes this procedure of finding the best tooth in the timing documentation for the Euro S50, so it is not just some made up thing.
                      If the vanos static timing is set and verified correct, then it doesn't matter it's sweet tooth or any tooth. The process is only to set the static timing and it has no effect with running engine nor engine performance. Obviously if the timing was set wrong then it will pop the error codes.

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