Fair price for 03 LSB/Cin 6 speed 1 ownwer 180k

[bigjae46]

I'd consider paying $20k that car if for no other reason its LSB with MK60 - two things that are really expensive to change. I'd rather buy a car that did not have the big 3 done so I can do it and know it's done right.

The other stuff looks like it is all normal fixable stuff. The key is not having any mods or reversed mods because the aftermath from mods is usually what causes the biggest and most expensive issues.

[Hammerfang]

20k, but no more. You have to ask yourself how much would it take to make that car what you want it to be and then how much would you pay for the car to be in the condition you want.

I asked this question myself and recently bought an 01 LSB/black coupe for 27.5k. It’s quite clean and has had some maintenance completed but needs a bit more to be tip top. I’m personally ok spending 10-15k in maintenance to have a sorted LSB 6-speed coupe and maybe a few thousand more in the future to swap in a cinnamon or LSB interior.

[stephen]

Is the dog included

[oceansize]

Still a hard pass. No way I'm spending that much on a 183,000 mile car with:

1. Interior seats = shot
2. Suspension = shot
3. All rubber = shot
4. Rod bearings
5. VANOS
6. RACP
7. Clutch/PP likely shot
8. Head Gasket (getting there).
9. NYC car, driven in winter? H.E. double hockey sticks no.

Unless some of the above was handled you all nuts

[01SG]

Still a hard pass. No way I'm spending that much on a 183,000 mile car with:

1. Interior seats = shot
2. Suspension = shot
3. All rubber = shot
4. Rod bearings
5. VANOS
6. RACP
7. Clutch/PP likely shot
8. Head Gasket (getting there).
9. NYC car, driven in winter? H.E. double hockey sticks no.

Unless some of the above was handled you all nuts

All this, plus the OP has not stated his mechanical or practical ability to work on the car. If he lives in NYC, chances are he doesn't have a place to work on it, even if he can.

Imagine the cost of this if he has to take it to a shop for everything. And then what about the cooling, power steering, brake systems etc.

[PetrolM3]

Are you saying that in the 180K miles, the only 'work' done on the car was a fuel pump replacement? What about suspension? Have you at least replaced the RTABs at least once?

Maybe you haven't shared enough info but based on what you did share, I agree with others - most people would run from a car which has basically seen no maintenance or love for 20 years. LSB will help you get more money but it certainly doesn't help the car and its condition. More common paint would make this a sub $15K car.

[simonnim]

Still a hard pass. No way I'm spending that much on a 183,000 mile car with:

1. Interior seats = shot
2. Suspension = shot
3. All rubber = shot
4. Rod bearings
5. VANOS
6. RACP
7. Clutch/PP likely shot
8. Head Gasket (getting there).
9. NYC car, driven in winter? H.E. double hockey sticks no.

Unless some of the above was handled you all nuts

Buy a donor vert with low miles and swap the drive train, cluster and everything else needed. Swap the LSB drive train, sell the vert. Bam low mileage LSB.

[oceansize]

Buy a donor vert with low miles and swap the drive train, cluster and everything else needed. Swap the LSB drive train, sell the vert. Bam low mileage LSB.

I can do that but can OP? OP never commented on his ability, plus having the space, to DIY everything.

If OP is mechanically inclined of course it can be made to work. Bad advice to buy this potential hunk of junk IF he can’t. Of course OP didn’t ask for advice, just what it’s worth. However, that cannot be answered without seeing and driving the car which leads to a huge range of opinions that all come down to assuming OP is going to DIY. Maybe .

A person only buys this if they have money. time, and space for a project or they’re looking for a “good deal” because they have none of those things. This likely isn’t a good deal. A person with money who doesn’t DIY is at EAG, BAT, etc.

[Feakara]

Thanks for the responses. The Vanos was replaced in 2020 with another unit. Rod bearings were done under warranty at 30k. Subframe has not been done. I have a garage and plan to diy Tune up suspension work brakes etc. As far as rod bearings and subframe I would have to take it somewhere to have it done. Clutch is original and feels good. I do not see any rust fender wells front and rear. I am thinking of having a ppi done to have the underneath checked. Any worn items have been replaced as they needed. The car drove good. No rattles etc. if I spend another 10k on subframe rod bearings and other micleanous parts the car will be at 28k with purchase price. Wouldn’t a lower mile car need to be refreshed anyway at a higher price? I’m comfortable offering 18k.

[oceansize]

Thanks for the responses. The Vanos was replaced in 2020 with another unit. Rod bearings were done under warranty at 30k. Subframe has not been done. I have a garage and plan to diy Tune up suspension work brakes etc. As far as rod bearings and subframe I would have to take it somewhere to have it done. Clutch is original and feels good. I do not see any rust fender wells front and rear. I am thinking of having a ppi done to have the underneath checked. Any worn items have been replaced as they needed. The car drove good. No rattles etc. if I spend another 10k on subframe rod bearings and other micleanous parts the car will be at 28k with purchase price. Wouldn’t a lower mile car need to be refreshed anyway at a higher price? I’m comfortable offering 18k.

How is the paint? Doing anything with the seats or just keeping those as is?

You have space, can DIY to a degree, and the bottom line is you want a "cheap" way to get into an LSB/Cinnamon car, fair enough. However, keep in mind there ain't no such thing as a cheap M3 unless you can DIY everything and anything that comes along with a 180k mile German sports car.

[Feakara]

Front and rear bumpers need to be done has chips on the hood. Also has ding on the rear fender not sure if it can be pdr.

[nextlvel]

i think at 18k + diy + 10k for big stuff you'd be in a pretty good spot for a LSB 6 speed. You could buy a normal color for the same price and still have to do many similar DIYs

[liam821]

The paint would be the biggest part for me. I can do all the DIY stuff myself but fixing the paint would be difficult. With that said 15-18k seems acceptable. I think of it like this, in top condition, it's probably worth $30k and a bit so you have $15-20k to play around with in maintenance. So $4k for a new cinn interior, $7k mechanical stuff/suspension, and that leaves a few thousands to repaint the bumpers/PDR.

[01SG]

While a lower mile car would need some things, you do not want to underestimate the vastly greater number of problems a high mileage car-and neglected, at that-can present

Get that PPI and the car on a lift to thoroughly look underneath.

It might be optimistic to say it will cost 10k to sort out. Maybe, maybe not.

[9kracing]

I actually have no concept of these car's value, and I own one.

Prices are so all over the place, it's really hard to figure out what someone else will pay.

LCI cars definitely go for more, and ZCP cars get the most usually, but I've seen exceptions.

I think my car is worth somewhere between 30 and 80k lol.