Thoughts on the Apex ML-10rt? Who has a set?
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They're BBS E88s reps that don't look that great. What else to say? It's easy to produce a faitfhul replica of a simple wheel like RC (ARC-8), but the E88s is so intricate, 3 piece, polished/stepped lip. Can't reproduce that in 1 piece flow formed. The lips just look flat on ml10 and the other e88 replicas.
I maintain, there's no better wheel option(performance orientated) than arc8s. Cheap, simple, lots of sizing, clean look that is period correct (well, maybe slightly more e36 era).Last edited by Tbonem3; 03-25-2025, 01:10 PM.DD: /// 2011.5 Jerez/bamboo E90 M3 · DCT · Slicktop · Instagram
/// 2004 Silvergrey M3 · Coupe · 6spd · Slicktop · zero options
More info: https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/m...os-supersprint
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Definitely better than the other repsDD: /// 2011.5 Jerez/bamboo E90 M3 · DCT · Slicktop · Instagram
/// 2004 Silvergrey M3 · Coupe · 6spd · Slicktop · zero options
More info: https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/m...os-supersprint
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Originally posted by Tbonem3 View PostDefinitely better than the other reps
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Did I say every multi spoke wheel is an e88 rep? There are some recent wheels coming out, probably due to the e88 popularity you mentioned, and they are 100% "inspired" by bbs e88. At least RAYs is a top brand, but it's not an original design.DD: /// 2011.5 Jerez/bamboo E90 M3 · DCT · Slicktop · Instagram
/// 2004 Silvergrey M3 · Coupe · 6spd · Slicktop · zero options
More info: https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/m...os-supersprint
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To me, 21As look more like a monoblock BBS LM than an E88. Also Rays is decidedly not a “rep” wheel company, having decades of racing pedigree including F1 and Super GT.
Apex on the other hand, they are not on the same playing field as Rays, but their products are good (design originality notwithstanding) and they have a good replacement policy.
Apex wheels are all made in China or Taiwan so that part sucks. No getting around the elephant in the room. But that’s why they are a couple hundred per wheel cheaper than Rays which are all made in Japan.
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Originally posted by Nate047 View Post...Rays which are all made in Japan.
... on a forge that RAYS owns and maintains.
Apex wheels are contracted out to a forge in China that they have no control over.
All forges are not the same, some are 6K pounds, some are 12K.
I think RAYS is 10K but don't quote me.2004 Dinan S3-R M3
2023 X3M Competition
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Good to see some better informed posters here about the wheel game. Those 21As look better than E88s and are likely lighter, more durable and stronger than the old school multi-piece BBS design.
The y spoke mesh belongs to BBS to which all others follow. Nothing wrong with that. It's a timeless, functional design. Also consider the proprietary metallurgy where motorsport backed companies like Volk, BBS, Forgeline, etc ply their trade. Apex is a budget wheel shop looking to serve the track nerd crowd who don't care SO much about looks or brand prestige. They just care about burning rubber, fulfilling their race car driver hobbyist fantasies.
BBS Japan, Rays are just a handful in the wheel industry that has true in-house manufacturing capabilities. Think Rolex, AP.Last edited by AbbeyRoad; 03-26-2025, 10:02 AM.
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Originally posted by Nate047 View PostTo me, 21As look more like a monoblock BBS LM than an E88. Also Rays is decidedly not a “rep” wheel company, having decades of racing pedigree including F1 and Super GT.
Apex on the other hand, they are not on the same playing field as Rays, but their products are good (design originality notwithstanding) and they have a good replacement policy.
Apex wheels are all made in China or Taiwan so that part sucks. No getting around the elephant in the room. But that’s why they are a couple hundred per wheel cheaper than Rays which are all made in Japan.
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Originally posted by AbbeyRoad View PostGood to see some better informed posters here about the wheel game. Those 21As look better than E88s and are likely lighter, more durable and stronger than the old school multi-piece BBS design.
The y spoke mesh belongs to BBS to which all others follow. Nothing wrong with that. It's a timeless, functional design. Also consider the proprietary metallurgy where motorsport backed companies like Volk, BBS, Forgeline, etc ply their trade. Apex is a budget wheel shop looking to serve the track nerd crowd who don't care SO much about looks or brand prestige. They just care about burning rubber, fulfilling their race car driver hobbyist fantasies.
BBS Japan, Rays are just a handful in the wheel industry that has true in-house manufacturing capabilities. Think Rolex, AP.
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Originally posted by Gearhead55 View Post
One aspect of Apexs that I like as well is there are easily replaceable.
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