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    Crank no start, another issue (SOLVED)

    Solved: Follow the timing procedure properly with the vanos install. Vanos pistons weren't fully seated into the unit on install, causing the no start. Retimed the engine and fired right up.


    Back again with more issues on this replacement engine. I'm stumped at this point and I can't figure out why the engine won't fire. At most I am getting small attempts to fire (1-2 small sputters or a backfire).

    All engine accessories, sensors, injectors, etc, came from a running engine when the engine blew up. So everything is assumed functional. Engine just had a full service from being taken from a running/driving donor car. Head gasket, rod bearings, all other gaskets. Everything but rods and crank out.

    Air: Cranking with open ITB's on MAP + IAT, I've ran the old engine like this before when working on it. Don't see why this would cause an issue now. I also went and attached the airbox to be sure and still no luck
    Fuel: Fuel pump primes and there is a smell of fuel in the cylinders when I pulled the plugs for a compression test. I checked fuel pressure at the regulator block post filter and it appears good pressure. I used a cheapo tire gauge because this is what I had on hand, getting a fuel pressure tester today and will check for the full 5 bar
    Spark: Brand new plugs and checked spark on all 6 coils/cylinders. Everything is good.
    Compression: Compression ran even across all 6 cylinders at 90psi +-1. I've never comp tested a dead cold engine, but I'd imagine this is inline for a new refreshed never ran engine. Also since there is little to no variability between cylinders this also reinforces the idea that it's okay for a cold engine.
    Error codes: None present
    Sensors: Everything is plugged in, I can't directly see anything missing or unplugged.

    Leading issue: The only thing I can think at this point is that my timing is 180 degress off. It's not my first time timing from head off, and I feel like it would be hard to get these engines 180 off. When I did the original timing, I used the BMW timing tool for the cams with the crank locked at TDC with the pin. Engine was cranked by hand excessively and it was physically in time.


    Thoughts or suggestions? I'm trying to avoid pulling to check timing since I'm out of the crush washers for the drain in the VC, but it's the last thing I can think of being the issue. Hoping I can push to get this car back on track before Pitt Race closes for good, but I'm trying to not throw money at it without aim.
    Last edited by Darbshaw; 10-11-2025, 06:38 AM.

    #2
    Got oil pressure?

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      #3
      Originally posted by jayjaya29 View Post
      Got oil pressure?
      I'm pretty sure the oil pressure light turned off when cranking so I'd assume so. I'll keep an eye on this today. Any other ways to check the actual pressure amount opposed to relying on the switch on the dash?

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        #4
        90 PSI on a cold engine sounds very low ?
        160 - 170 psi on a cold engine is good.
        Mist some oil / WD40 in the cylinders and measure it again IMO

        Edit : if you got timing 180° off, wouldn't pistons have hit the valves ? It would make a terrible noise and the engine would be good for a coffee table.
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          #5
          Does it sound like this -





          This was a timing issue where the owner did not push the VANOS splined shafts and pistons all the way into the VANOS unit per the Beisan instructions. He was able to redo the timing and got the engine started.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Slideways View Post
            Does it sound like this -





            This was a timing issue where the owner did not push the VANOS splined shafts and pistons all the way into the VANOS unit per the Beisan instructions. He was able to redo the timing and got the engine started.
            This is exactly what it sounds like. What a find thank you. Looks like I'm brushing up on the Beisan timing instructions and redoing timing tonight.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Darbshaw View Post

              This is exactly what it sounds like. What a find thank you. Looks like I'm brushing up on the Beisan timing instructions and redoing timing tonight.
              Yeah, came across that thread when looking at headgasket DIY info. Beisan really should underline and bold this part of the procedure:

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              Last edited by Slideways; 10-10-2025, 10:16 AM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Flow View Post
                90 PSI on a cold engine sounds very low ?
                160 - 170 psi on a cold engine is good.
                Mist some oil / WD40 in the cylinders and measure it again IMO

                Edit : if you got timing 180° off, wouldn't pistons have hit the valves ? It would make a terrible noise and the engine would be good for a coffee table.
                I'm deciding to not worry about this too much right now, especially since the numbers are even across the board. I'd imagine its unlikely that every single cylinder would run the same exact issue. The motor had good compression (outside of cyl 5 with a blown HG) prior to service. Could just be the case of my cheap compression tester finally giving.

                Maybe 180 isnt the right number, but my initial thinking was that the they were opposite of the stroke. Timed enough to not contact but just oppositie of where they should be, honestly not sure if this is possible. There is no piston to valve contact (scoped a while back) so its likely the vanos issue Slideways mentioned

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Darbshaw View Post
                  When I did the original timing, I used the BMW timing tool for the cams with the crank locked at TDC with the pin. Engine was cranked by hand excessively and it was physically in time.
                  Crank locked with the pin (to flywheel) doesn't guarantee it's at TDC compression -- you have 50% chance of being right.

                  TDC compression is when the #1 two cam lobes pointing at each.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Darbshaw View Post
                    The only thing I can think at this point is that my timing is 180 degress off.
                    What happens if the vanos was timed with the crank/cams set at TDC exhaust stroke?
                    So assuming the crank and cams are chained together correctly, but the crank was turned to TDC exhaust stroke (360* from the correct TDC compression). What can go wrong if the vanos timing is set at this moment? I think it should work just fine. So why do we care if the TDC with #1 lobes pointing at each, or at TDC with them not looking at each?

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                      #11


                      removed because my brain didn’t work….
                      Last edited by JakeM346; 10-13-2025, 02:14 PM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Darbshaw View Post

                        I'm deciding to not worry about this too much right now, especially since the numbers are even across the board. I'd imagine its unlikely that every single cylinder would run the same exact issue. The motor had good compression (outside of cyl 5 with a blown HG) prior to service. Could just be the case of my cheap compression tester finally giving.

                        Maybe 180 isnt the right number, but my initial thinking was that the they were opposite of the stroke. Timed enough to not contact but just oppositie of where they should be, honestly not sure if this is possible. There is no piston to valve contact (scoped a while back) so its likely the vanos issue Slideways mentioned
                        You have to be careful when doing the Vanos procedure. Sometimes there’s oil behind one of the pistons which leads the splined shaft to move back out a bit after being pushed back (like a shock absorber) bmw therefore uses compressed air to reset the Vanos pistons

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                          #13
                          Thanks again for the quick advice, guys! This forum remains undefeated. Retimed the engine, and it fired on the first turn.

                          I'd think that I got away without harm from piston to valve contact. Idle was smooth and healthy, also scoped the cylinders, and didn't see any contact

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JakeM346 View Post

                            well the valves are gonna hit the pistons which will bend them. Which then in turn will lead to them getting stuck in the guide which will then lead to 0 compression.
                            i don’t believe this is the problem tho because as I said it would lead to 0 compression and darbshaw has at least some compression which simply points to the timing being off which points to faulty Vanos procedure.
                            No pistons hitting valves.

                            let’s do a mental experiment: check your perfectly timed engine but turn it to TDC exhaust stroke (360 off the normally TDC compression stroke), then check the cam holes with bridge pin. The timing are perfectly right and no bent valves?
                            Last edited by sapote; 10-11-2025, 12:09 PM.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by sapote View Post

                              No pistons hitting valves.

                              let’s do a mental experiment: check your perfectly timed engine but turn it to TDC exhaust stroke (360 off the normally TDC compression stroke), then check the cam holes with bridge pin. The timing are perfectly right and no bent valves?

                              Actually that would be right but….only if the camshafts were removed. You try and turn the camshafts 180 degrees with them installed and you’re gonna bend some valves
                              Last edited by JakeM346; 10-14-2025, 01:41 AM.

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