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    Review: SuperSprint Twin tube (2x 2.5") Section 2

    Disclaimer/disclosure:
    I received this part for free, I believe because I helped it come into existence. That said, I have been a happy SuperSprint customer for years, on multiple cars. On my M3 coupe, I paid for my SuperSprint headers (V1 stepped), Section 1 (catted), previous section 2 (resonated), and muffler (street with race tips). I would have paid for this part, had they not offered it to me.

    Onward…

    Around 1-2 years ago, it became apparent to me that the section 2 becomes a restriction point on more heavily modified s54s. It was Nick’s car that first triggered my radar, follow by Hassan’s car, then reading up on some exhaust theory. E.g. this:



    SuperSprint’s original section 2 was developed in a time before people knew how to tune the S54. For the first ~10 years of the e46 M3’s existence, getting more than ~310 SAE rwhp out of a streetable/stock ecu/vanosed S54 was pretty unheard of. SuperSprint, reasonably, designed a section 2 that was optimized for that level of power, that matched the pipe diameter of most (non V1 stepped) headers. If you're doing a more mild build, this part still makes sense (and is probably superior to the new option).

    In more recent history, s54 power modding has become much more effective. This has largely been the result of the ecu finally being understood (allowing real tuning), MAP based engine management making CSL airboxes more effective/viable, and attainable data logging solutions.

    Combine a CSL style airbox, cams, SuperSprint V1 headers/section 1, and you have a setup that is flowing significantly more than stock.

    Note: the SuperSprint V1 stepped headers and SuperSprint V1 section 1s use 2.5” tubing. This is not true of most other headers on the market, including eBay, OE Euro, and SSV2 headers. To take full advantage of this section 2, you need headers/section 1 that use 2.5” tubing.

    Low end/mid range torque on the S54 can be completely gutted if the crossover/merge is not in the correct (RE: stock) location. That was something I was not willing to do. I also wanted a resonator in my setup, because I don’t like any significant level of rasp from my car.

    So, I started to look around the market for a section 2 that met my criteria:
    -2 x 2.5”
    -Stock merge/crossover location
    -Resonated
    -Well made

    … and it didn’t exist. Everyone running something along those lines was running a “custom” setup. So, I started pushing my desired setup both directly to my contacts at SuperSprint and to Turner/ECS (who is SuperSprint’s US importer). Unbeknownst to me at the time, Leighton was doing the same thing at the same time, though through his GB contact.

    In April this year, SuperSprint posted this: http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=597650

    And ~2 weeks ago, mine arrived

    Clearly the shippers didn’t treat the box very well:



    But Supersprint’s packaging was sufficient that it remained 100% undamaged:



    Welds and build quality in general look excellent! As has been the case with all my previous SuperSprint products, as well.

    I delayed installing it immediately because I had a track event, and at some point, with enough repetitions, I had it banged into my head that you should never install a new part before a track event. I needn't have worried-- I finally got around to installing it, and it went on perfectly and painlessly:





    Side note: I am a big proponent of using different hardware than either BMW's stock mid pipe hardware or SuperSprint's hardware. The OE BMW exhaust bolts that attach the stock headers to the stock section 1 are inconel. This does mean that they're a bit pricey, but it also means they're FAR more corrosion resistant than any normal hardware. Normal exhaust hardware gets rusty quite quickly, which makes removal down the road for other projects a huge PITA, often snapping the bolts and requiring replacement. These are pricey up front, but rarely/never need to be replaced after that. They are a larger diameter, which means you have to slightly expand the exhaust gasket bolt holes, but the larger diameter also guarantees exact alignment between the exhaust sections, optimizing flow. I use these on the section 1 to section 2 joint and the section 2 to muffler joint:





    bolt: 11621318568 nut: 18301317898. 6 of each required for section 1 to section 2, 4 of each required for section 2 to muffler. If you kept them when doing V1 headers, you already have 4. Nuts are one time use, so replace every time they're removed.

    Results:
    I've only had these on the car briefly, so the car has not been dynoed yet. I'll update this thread when it is. In the short term, take with as many grains as salt as are necessary. If that's what you're looking for, check out Paule claude's results-- much more obective data/dyno than I can provide, yet (though he can't take full benefit as his car is RHD and therefore can't run the V1 stepped headers).

    But: the car feels significantly, noticeably FASTER. I would not be at all surprised if I have gained 20rwhp. I will be surprised if I gained less than 10rwhp. Low end/mid range power is completely uncompromised-- in fact, mid range power feels notably stronger.

    Sound wise, the car is pretty unchanged vs the previous setup. It may be slightly quieter than the SuperSprint single pipe section 2 I ran before, but if so it's only just so. Tone is completely unchanged. I'll update this with a video ASAP (maybe tonight).

    Conclusion:
    If you're doing a full S54 build, which pretty much always includes SuperSprint V1 headers/section 1, these are a no brainer option, IMO. They don't cost more than previous options, and they continue the 2.5" exhaust flow from the SuperSprint V1 Section 1.

    If you're doing a more standard build, it probably makes sense to stick to a more traditional section 2.

    Videos from the twin 2.5" SuperSprint thread:

    Above the bumper:



    In car:



    Outside of car:



    Sorry about the video quality in the first two. My Go Pro is showing its age...

    2005 IR/IR M3 Coupe
    2012 LMB/Black 128i
    2008 Black/Black M5 Sedan

    #2
    How would this twin tube setup compare to a 3.5" single in terms of flow?
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    Past: 2015 F80 ///M3 6MT - 2006 E46 ///M3 6MT - 1999 E36 ///M3 5MT - 1991 E30 ///M3 5MT

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      #3
      Originally posted by DiscoWagon View Post
      How would this twin tube setup compare to a 3.5" single in terms of flow?
      Roughly the same in terms of flow. 1029 CFM for a single 3.5", 1018 CFM for 2 x 2.5".

      That said, the S54 does well with the merge at a very specific location, which you can't accomplish with a single 3.5"-- so I would guess you'd lose power at the bottom end going that route.

      2005 IR/IR M3 Coupe
      2012 LMB/Black 128i
      2008 Black/Black M5 Sedan

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        #4
        Originally posted by Obioban View Post

        Roughly the same in terms of flow. 1029 CFM for a single 3.5", 1018 CFM for 2 x 2.5".

        That said, the S54 does well with the merge at a very specific location, which you can't accomplish with a single 3.5"-- so I would guess you'd lose power at the bottom end going that route.
        Can confirm, I even tuned for this, and the torque shift/loss wasn't as significant (under 3,500rpm's) as what Nick P. experienced...but still present nonetheless.

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          #5
          I agree with the positive review of the 2.5" section 2. I bought the non-resonated version to complement v1 headers and 2.5" section 1. WELL worth the $600-800ish for this particular section with the tricky bends in this section.

          What I didn't love is you'll notice the flanges have a silvery sparkle to the them. Why? Because they spray-painted the welds at the flanges (at the factory). I'm not kidding - they use a lower-grade ferrous stainless for the flanges and try to get some corrosion protection with the paint (hint - it doesn't work).

          '05 M3 Convertible 6MT, CB/Cinnamon, CSL Airbox&Flap, PCSTuning, Beisan, Schrick 288/280, SS V1's & 2.5" System, RE Stg 1&SMF, KW V2, CB PS, Apex EC-7R

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            #6
            Excellent. This looks perfect for my build. Interesting to see the dyno results. Out of curiosity, what cams are you running?
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              #7
              Originally posted by Fresh1179 View Post
              Excellent. This looks perfect for my build. Interesting to see the dyno results. Out of curiosity, what cams are you running?
              280/272.

              I was going to get on the dyno again this spring, but who knows when that's happening now...

              2005 IR/IR M3 Coupe
              2012 LMB/Black 128i
              2008 Black/Black M5 Sedan

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                #8
                I had an unpleasant experience (unresonated version). Quality is typically good with SS, but fitment was a bit off, pipes got closer to diff than I'd like and heatshield needed work to not touch driver side prop shaft/output flange. Installed with new OE bmw hangers to boot.

                I also, like Ian, had to make my own spacers for the center cross braces for fitment.

                Not too bad at all. once installed though, my heart sank! All the glorious noise and character was gone. it sounded like a loud vacuum cleaner. I do feel the car's midrange got stronger. For an all out build (esp w/ cams), it's a great piece, but for a street car where I really really care about the noises made, I hated it. Really really boring and "lazy" Now, I'm straight piped, so if you have cats and resonators, then I bet you wouldn't notice change as much as I did.

                Promptly uninstalled and put the OE sect 2 in and my baby was back to normal. Didn't feel any loss of power going back, but that motorsport sound was back!

                DD: /// 2011.5 Jerez/bamboo E90 M3 · DCT · Slicktop · Instagram
                /// 2004 Silvergrey M3 · Coupe · 6spd · Slicktop · zero options
                More info: https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/m...os-supersprint

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                  #9
                  My resonated section 2 just arrived today.. ^ fingers crossed this thing doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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                    #10
                    Must here vacuum cleaner noises emanating from an M3, please post audio. We can all argue if it sounds like a dyson or a kenmore.... LoL.
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                      #11
                      I personally prefer the Hoover or the Rigid exhaust sounds.
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                        #12
                        No video. Plus video doesn't capture things well, certainly not nuances. It sounded awfully boring, at least from driver's perspective. No idea how it would sound out the tail pipe.

                        Post your impressions Mainstreamer (and what setup you changed from), though yours is resonated, so it won't be as much of a change.
                        DD: /// 2011.5 Jerez/bamboo E90 M3 · DCT · Slicktop · Instagram
                        /// 2004 Silvergrey M3 · Coupe · 6spd · Slicktop · zero options
                        More info: https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/m...os-supersprint

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                          #13
                          It's interesting that there was such a change between the two pieces. Sure, I get that it comes down to the factory resonator and diameter but you for you to revert back says a lot. I did a quick search - that factory resonator is straight-through and not a crossover design for those unsure.

                          Btw, I don't disagree that the soundtrack of a 2.5" system is underwhelming, with a SCZA section 3. I modified a cheap $35 x-pipe to fit with the relatively close pipe spacing (about 9/16" between the two) and temporarily clamped it in where the resonator would be with the resonated 2.5" SS piece. It was much less of change than I anticipated. It quenched some of the "blat" sound in the 2-3k RPM range but overall, very minor difference.

                          I ordered two bullet style resonators (short length) that I will next try. I find the SCZA section 3 to be a quiet muffler and I suspect receives most praise when tied into a factory system; all of that sound profile goes out the window when you change components upstream obviously.
                          '05 M3 Convertible 6MT, CB/Cinnamon, CSL Airbox&Flap, PCSTuning, Beisan, Schrick 288/280, SS V1's & 2.5" System, RE Stg 1&SMF, KW V2, CB PS, Apex EC-7R

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                            #14
                            Agree completely. I swear my car was louder (at least out the tailpipe) when I had 2.16" headers and sect 1 vs 2.5" now.

                            I actually think, even though you're giving up like 5-10hp, SS V2s with stock sect 1 (and sect 1s with 2 resonators) and SCZA sounds the best. My friend has ss v2 with euro cats, oe sect 2 and og scorza. His car sounds louder and more exotic than mine. But mine is throaty and has more pops and a different, more hollow wail to it. I like both, but I actually appreciate that mine is a little quieter.
                            DD: /// 2011.5 Jerez/bamboo E90 M3 · DCT · Slicktop · Instagram
                            /// 2004 Silvergrey M3 · Coupe · 6spd · Slicktop · zero options
                            More info: https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/m...os-supersprint

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Tbonem3 View Post
                              Agree completely. I swear my car was louder (at least out the tailpipe) when I had 2.16" headers and sect 1 vs 2.5" now.

                              I actually think, even though you're giving up like 5-10hp, SS V2s with stock sect 1 (and sect 1s with 2 resonators) and SCZA sounds the best. My friend has ss v2 with euro cats, oe sect 2 and og scorza. His car sounds louder and more exotic than mine. But mine is throaty and has more pops and a different, more hollow wail to it. I like both, but I actually appreciate that mine is a little quieter.
                              I'd agree this makes the car quieter-- I just see that as a good thing. I find all e46 M3 exhaust notes to be varying degrees of meh to terrible, and anything that quiets the exhaust down to make the CSL intake sound more prominent is a good thing in my book

                              2005 IR/IR M3 Coupe
                              2012 LMB/Black 128i
                              2008 Black/Black M5 Sedan

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