Tires. What is every one running?

[DESMDR3]

My ride quality is great. What the fuck do you know about them, have you owned V12's before. Ridden in an E46 with them...thought not.

He’s just trying to let it be known he paid so much for a set of tires and anything else less expensive can’t possibly be any good


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[fattycharged]

My ride quality is great. What the fuck do you know about them, have you owned V12's before. Ridden in an E46 with them...thought not.

Interesting that you assume the naysayers are all parroting each other with no personal experience. I have, they are shit unresponsive sloppy tires at speed. Though I’m sure they pair well with a nice set of BC’s.


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[fattycharged]

This right here. People on here love to get spoon fed. And they end up building the same car as the next guy. Same ol cookie cutter mentality


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Jared?


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[Obioban]

There are many good tires out there... but V12s are not among them. Junk. Car ruiningly bad, imo.

[chicane]

There are many good tires out there... but V12s are not among them. Junk. Car ruiningly bad, imo.

That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear. The V12's are comfortable, quiet, long tread life....my car runs great, the tires look phenomenal. I have another set on my E90, I couldn't be happier with their performance and my wallet appreciates the switch. If I tracked or auto-crossed the car Pilot Sports would be at the top of the list. If I am just tooling around town or driving to work it is a waste of money. And don't take my opinion read the TireRack or other reviews for similar High Performance cars...for the money it is a great tire.

[Tbonem3]

I thought we were way past v12s, silicone elbows, and smoked leds .

Just head over to e46fanatics. Let this forum be for us robots who mindlessly think that OE plus high quality mods is "the way."

[Tbonem3]

That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear

No, pilot sports are not good for the track lol

Imagine that, the rear tires on a high output RWD sports car wear faster than the fronts.

If you can't afford the best tires, why are you playing around with a $55k sports car?

[Obioban]

That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear. The V12's are comfortable, quiet, long tread life....my car runs great, the tires look phenomenal. I have another set on my E90, I couldn't be happier with their performance and my wallet appreciates the switch. If I tracked or auto-crossed the car Pilot Sports would be at the top of the list. If I am just tooling around town or driving to work it is a waste of money. And don't take my opinion read the TireRack or other reviews for similar High Performance cars...for the money it is a great tire.

Modern PS4s get around double the life of the old PS1s/PS2s.

Tracking has nothing to do with it-- trying to have a tire that's good on track and on the street is like trying to have a tire that's good in the snow and in the summer-- inherently, you're compromising. If you were tracking, PS4Ss would be a terrible choice (well, not as a rain tire) as they don't have the heat capacity for it (much like any tire that is good on the street).

If you're just tooling around on the street, the entire car is a waste. The PS4S's are very much a tire with the same set of priorities as the M3-- Grippy, feelsome, comfortable and civilized enough. The V12s have the priorities of a Dodge Challenger-- bad handling, not great feel, okay grip, cushy ride, low price.

Ultimately, there's a reason every performance car worth it's salt for the last 20 years has come on some sort of Michelin. For a high performance street tire, there is nothing better as a complete package. When cars are being subjected to reviews (handling, comfort, NHV, grip, braking distances, wet behavior), the car companies want them to be put in the best possible light-- which means Michelin performance tires. I'd be interested to be proven wrong, but I don't know of any cars that came stock with V12s.

I could actually see them being okay on a stock e90 non M. The non M subframe bushings make the car feel like a body on frame car with worth out body mounts already, so the V12s might not actually make it feel worse. Or, maybe they exacerbate the problem, and make it even worse... never tried V12s on an e90. But, on the e46 M3... I've experience few parts that degrade the handling more severely than V12s.

the tires look phenomenal.

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[Icecream]

That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear. The V12's are comfortable, quiet, long tread life....my car runs great, the tires look phenomenal. I have another set on my E90, I couldn't be happier with their performance and my wallet appreciates the switch. If I tracked or auto-crossed the car Pilot Sports would be at the top of the list. If I am just tooling around town or driving to work it is a waste of money. And don't take my opinion read the TireRack or other reviews for similar High Performance cars...for the money it is a great tire.

Ps4s tires wear incredibly well and have pretty much paid for themselves in how long they lasted compared to the continentals, Bridgestone PP, htrziii and some I had before. Not only that but they remained comfortable and quite for the entire life of the tire. The other brands became unbearably harsh as they wore or became way too noisy. I have done many many miles on mine, lots of power slides, burnouts whatever and they just now need replacing. All my previous sets from other brands seemed to have worn out much sooner. By your logic an M3 is a waste of money if you’re just tooling around or driving to work.

[fattycharged]

That's YOUR opinion and one based on how YOU drive and use YOUR car. I ran Pilot Sports for years. Great tire, very sticky, great if your track but they wear like a muther. I don't track. I can't tell you how many rears I had to replace that wore far faster than the fronts then I had to deal with mix matched wear. The V12's are comfortable, quiet, long tread life....my car runs great, the tires look phenomenal. I have another set on my E90, I couldn't be happier with their performance and my wallet appreciates the switch. If I tracked or auto-crossed the car Pilot Sports would be at the top of the list. If I am just tooling around town or driving to work it is a waste of money. And don't take my opinion read the TireRack or other reviews for similar High Performance cars...for the money it is a great tire.

Thank you for confirming what the sheeple have been preaching. If you cruise and park, the budget tires are awesome.


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[DESMDR3]

Thank you for confirming what the sheeple have been preaching. If you cruise and park, the budget tires are awesome.


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The RS-Pros I have can be considered budget tires yet will outperform PS4S on track every time


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[Tbonem3]

You're comparing 200tw to 300tw?

[Obioban]

The RS-Pros I have can be considered budget tires yet will outperform PS4S on track every time


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Once you have some pace, running the same tires on the street and track either means bad street manners or melting on track.

The PS4Ss are a street tire. I would not suggest anyone run them on the track-- any more than I'd suggest anyone run NT-01s on the street (my track tire) or Pilot Alpines (my snow tire) in the summer.

I got my NT-01s for $100 per tire, new, and they will also out perform my PS4Ss on track. They're still a garbage street tire.

[DESMDR3]

You're comparing 200tw to 300tw?

Of course I’m going by the logic that if it cost more it’s better right?

[Obioban]

Of course I’m going by the logic that if it cost more it’s better right?

Track performance does not indicate how good or bad a street tire is, anymore than snow performance indicates how good a track tire is. It's just missing the point.