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    #31
    Originally posted by Mike RT4 View Post
    I can give you some insight into how the ducktail actually came about. When we had the 20th anniversary meet-up for the CSL in May last year, we were fortunate to have many of the engineers on hand responsible for all aspects of the CSL. One of those was the aerodynamicist Jörg Ellers.

    Gerhard Richter who was in charge of M division at the time the CSL was being developed would do a walkaround of the shop floor every evening to inspect how the work on the project was progressing. Originally the CSL was actually supposed to get a bolt-on wing on the standard boot but Jörg who was responsible for the car’s aerodynamics had calculated that a ducktail would provide the required negative lift and look much better than a bolt-on wing. So having produced a clay model as proof of concept, he decided that on the next evening he would leave the model of the car with the ducktail (complete with a lacquered foil covering to further highlight the design) in plain sight for Mr Richter to see when he was making his rounds, and wait to see what his reaction was. Upon spotting the model, Mr Richter stopped immediately and started to study the rear. Waiting for his moment Jörg then took the opportunity to join him and explain that the ducktail provided the same required aero balance as the much less aesthetically pleasing bolt-on wing. Fortunately Gerhard Richter agreed and responded that he loved it and the rest as they say, is history!

    Obviously due to the shape, BMW used their newly developed fibre reinforced plastic material to show case what shapes they could produce​ and it is actually practically the same weight as a standard boot (so wasn't done for weight-saving reasons).

    I would also point out that the speeds quoted for the downforce at 124mph (which is the 200km/h quoted - which is the norm for most downforce figures). I have no idea how someone calculated that to be 160mph......

    It is pretty easy to calculate the correct speed, as the 0-100kmh time is equivalent to 0-62mph, so 2 x 62 = 124mph LOL.
    I feel foolish for copy+pasting the 200-160 conversion without bothering to check the math, but I'll own that. Very interesting story about the engineering behind the project, especially the note about the weight. A standard CSL trunk is actually no weight difference vs. the standard bootlid?

    Also dug a little further and finding that the swing isn't +18 to -10kg, but rather +18 to +10 (std --> CSL). This tracks with the engineers saying the goal was to reduce lift. So now the point is less than 20lbs difference at 120mph.
    2002 M3 Coupe | 1988 320i Touring

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      #32
      CSL bootlid does not have the button/handle to open it nor the tool kit, so that is probably worth two or three pounds.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Albino09 View Post

        I feel foolish for copy+pasting the 200-160 conversion without bothering to check the math, but I'll own that. Very interesting story about the engineering behind the project, especially the note about the weight. A standard CSL trunk is actually no weight difference vs. the standard bootlid?

        Also dug a little further and finding that the swing isn't +18 to -10kg, but rather +18 to +10 (std --> CSL). This tracks with the engineers saying the goal was to reduce lift. So now the point is less than 20lbs difference at 120mph.
        I did some follow-up research as well, and you are correct, I always thought that the negative figures quoted were in relation to negative lift (i.e. down force), but they relate to downforce, so negative figures are lift. Learned something new myselft today. Thanks for making me question this and what I "thought" I knew.

        These are the Sport Auto figures referred to:
        Last edited by Mike RT4; 02-11-2024, 03:28 AM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Slideways View Post
          CSL bootlid does not have the button/handle to open it nor the tool kit, so that is probably worth two or three pounds.
          Agreed, so possibly a fraction lighter when that is taken into account. However, bare weight of each there is a negligable difference. Would be interesting to see how the actual fully fitted weights compare.

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            #35
            As a bit of fun, they were so proud of reducing the lift that the did this advert back in the day LOL:
            Last edited by Mike RT4; 02-11-2024, 03:29 AM.

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