Need help doing vanos test with INPA

[nextelbuddy]

So I had a question about the Vanos test.

One of my cars is starting to have the marbles in a can sound at low RPM with a load on the engine. Sounds like pinging but it's a fresh rebuild. It's the same sign you're hearing cars when you run low octane fuel when you get the marbles in the canned sound.

Doing some searching I came across several instances where they mentioned timing being off.

I have never heard the pinging before until recently, so my guess is maybe it would probably go away if I reset Vanos adaptations and then probably come back

So if I want to run the Vanos test, should I run it now and it's current state or should I run it after I reset adaptations?

And would a successful vanos test mean that the engine is properly timed

I also had these Shadow codes. I never saw a check engine light but I decided to check codes today and saw these Shadow codes. Inlet Vanos retard valve errors

[BMWfanz]

Guys, anyone have 288/280 12.5 lift cams and who has done vanos test?

[Tomba]

Very cool!

Any chance you could whip up something for VANOS adaptions reset in INPA? It's a bit a chore to have to fire up DIS for every Vanos rebuild.

I'm busy integrating VANOS test in INPA and some more functionalities. Sure to add that one as well.

[Slideways]

Doesn't resetting all engine adaptations on INPA include the VANOS?

[heinzboehmer]

Very cool!

Any chance you could whip up something for VANOS adaptions reset in INPA? It's a bit a chore to have to fire up DIS for every Vanos rebuild.

This tool is even faster than INPA

https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/main-forum/e46-2001-2006/20328-new-software-utility-for-the-e39-m5-e46-m3-by-ecuworx

[kaiv]

Unzip the attachment,
place it in C:\EDIABAS\ECU
start Tool32
Click the 2nd [OPEN] icon
open MSS54_VANOS_Test.tst
Press F8 to run all tests
A result screen similar to the quoted code text below should appear *tested only with bench set up! Not with a running engine

Test file : C:\EDIABAS\ECU\MSS54_VANOS_TESTS.TST
Start : 18.06.2020 19:57:00.5
Nr 1( 1) : 18.06.2020 19:57:00.6
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_ISTWERT = 60 00 3C .<
EVAN_SOLLWERT = 52 00 34 .4
EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 2( 1) : 18.06.2020 19:57:06.0
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_SPAETANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_ISTWERT = 60 00 3C .<
EVAN_SOLLWERT = 52 00 34 .4
EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 3( 1) : 18.06.2020 19:57:11.3
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_VERSTELLZEIT"," ","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH = 0 00 00 ..
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET = 0 00 00 ..
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH_EINH = ms
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET_EINH = ms
Nr 4( 1) : 18.06.2020 19:57:17.5
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_DICHTHEIT",""," ")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_STATUS = EVANOS-1-Einheit vorzeitig weggedriftet
Nr 5( 1) : 18.06.2020 19:57:32.0
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_ISTWERT = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_SOLLWERT = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 6( 1) : 18.06.2020 19:57:37.3
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_SPAETANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_ISTWERT = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_SOLLWERT = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 7( 1) : 18.06.2020 19:57:42.5
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_VERSTELLZEIT"," ","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH_EINH = ms
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET_EINH = ms
Nr 8( 1) : 18.06.2020 19:57:48.9
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_DICHTHEIT",""," ")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_STATUS = AVANOS-1-Einheit vorzeitig weggedriftet
Stop : 18.06.2020 19:58:03.3
Dauer : 62.9 s

Very cool!

Any chance you could whip up something for VANOS adaptions reset in INPA? It's a bit a chore to have to fire up DIS for every Vanos rebuild.

[Tomba]

I had a p0011 and p0014.

These are camshaft position sensors. Once these don't work, the VANOS test won't work.

[jpy1980]

Your desired values our out of specification which is very weird!

EVAN_SOLLWERT = 52 00 34 .4

Any error codes?

Hello!

I had a p0011 and p0014. Then I changed my solenoid pack, cleaned the valve body and changed the o rings. After that I was getting a p0012 code but my p0011 and p0014 disappeared. Also my car would not stay on as it would die when coming to a stop.

ended up getting the car towed to a shop. We will see what they say.

[Tomba]

Your desired values our out of specification which is very weird!

EVAN_SOLLWERT = 52 00 34 .4

Any error codes?

[oceansize]

Can't interpret from this, your output is missing required information (solenoid coil pack has likely failed).

[jpy1980]

Hey guys im having issues with my car and I was told to run this test. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks!

Test file : C:\EDIABAS\ECU\MSS54_VANOS_TESTS.TST
Start : 29.04.2024 19:15:36.2
Nr 1( 1) : 29.04.2024 19:15:36.3
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_ISTWERT = 59 00 3B .;
EVAN_SOLLWERT = 52 00 34 .4
EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 2( 1) : 29.04.2024 19:15:41.7
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_SPAETANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_ISTWERT = 59 00 3B .;
EVAN_SOLLWERT = 52 00 34 .4
EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 3( 1) : 29.04.2024 19:15:47.0
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_VERSTELLZEIT"," ","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH = 0 00 00 ..
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET = 0 00 00 ..
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH_EINH = ms
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET_EINH = ms
Nr 4( 1) : 29.04.2024 19:15:53.3
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_DICHTHEIT",""," ")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_STATUS = EVANOS-1-Einheit vorzeitig weggedriftet
Nr 5( 1) : 29.04.2024 19:16:07.7
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_ISTWERT = 48 00 30 .0
AVAN_SOLLWERT = 20 00 14 ..
AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 6( 1) : 29.04.2024 19:16:13.0
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_SPAETANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_ISTWERT = 49 00 31 .1
AVAN_SOLLWERT = 20 00 14 ..
AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 7( 1) : 29.04.2024 19:16:18.3
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_VERSTELLZEIT"," ","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH_EINH = ms
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET_EINH = ms
Nr 8( 1) : 29.04.2024 19:16:24.6
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_DICHTHEIT",""," ")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_STATUS = AVANOS-1-Einheit vorzeitig weggedriftet
Stop : 29.04.2024 19:16:39.7
Dauer : 63.5 s

[BMWfanz]

Hi everyone, big thanks to Tomba for putting this test together.
Is there anyone here who can check my results? Im chasing some vague vanos codes when running the car hard.

apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_ISTWERT = -2 FF FF FF FE ÿÿÿþ
EVAN_SOLLWERT = -10 FF FF FF F6 ÿÿÿö
EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 2( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:56:51.5
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_SPAETANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_ISTWERT = 57 00 39 .9
EVAN_SOLLWERT = 75 00 4B .K
EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 3( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:56:56.9
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_VERSTELLZEIT"," ","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH = 229 00 E5 .å
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET = 212 00 D4 .Ô
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH_EINH = ms
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET_EINH = ms
Nr 4( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:03.4
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_DICHTHEIT",""," ")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_STATUS = EVANOS-1-Einheit vorzeitig weggedriftet
Nr 5( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:17.8
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_ISTWERT = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_SOLLWERT = -10 FF FF FF F6 ÿÿÿö
AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 6( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:23.1
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_SPAETANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_ISTWERT = 47 00 2F ./
AVAN_SOLLWERT = 55 00 37 .7
AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 7( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:28.4
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_VERSTELLZEIT"," ","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH = 193 00 C1 .Á
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET = 190 00 BE .¾
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH_EINH = ms
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET_EINH = ms
Nr 8( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:34.8
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_DICHTHEIT",""," ")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_STATUS = AVANOS-1-Einheit vorzeitig weggedriftet
Stop : 19.01.2024 19:57:49.7
Dauer : 63.8 s

Hi! Intake camshaft is out of spec on 2 degrees but here shouldnt be any issues, but it not work in full 60 degrees, 59 only, same with exhaust- position is good but 47 degrees, should be 48. Reaction time is good!

[inlinesix123]

Hi everyone, big thanks to Tomba for putting this test together.
Is there anyone here who can check my results? Im chasing some vague vanos codes when running the car hard.

apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_ISTWERT = -2 FF FF FF FE ÿÿÿþ
EVAN_SOLLWERT = -10 FF FF FF F6 ÿÿÿö
EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 2( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:56:51.5
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_SPAETANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_ISTWERT = 57 00 39 .9
EVAN_SOLLWERT = 75 00 4B .K
EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 3( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:56:56.9
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_VERSTELLZEIT"," ","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH = 229 00 E5 .å
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET = 212 00 D4 .Ô
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH_EINH = ms
EVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET_EINH = ms
Nr 4( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:03.4
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_DICHTHEIT",""," ")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
EVAN_STATUS = EVANOS-1-Einheit vorzeitig weggedriftet
Nr 5( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:17.8
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_ISTWERT = 0 00 00 ..
AVAN_SOLLWERT = -10 FF FF FF F6 ÿÿÿö
AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 6( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:23.1
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_SPAETANSCHLAG", "","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_ISTWERT = 47 00 2F ./
AVAN_SOLLWERT = 55 00 37 .7
AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH = Grad KW
AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH = Grad KW
Nr 7( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:28.4
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_VERSTELLZEIT"," ","")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH = 193 00 C1 .Á
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET = 190 00 BE .¾
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_FRUEH_EINH = ms
AVAN_VERSTELLZEIT_SPAET_EINH = ms
Nr 8( 1) : 19.01.2024 19:57:34.8
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_DICHTHEIT",""," ")
JOB_STATUS = OKAY
AVAN_STATUS = AVANOS-1-Einheit vorzeitig weggedriftet
Stop : 19.01.2024 19:57:49.7
Dauer : 63.8 s

[Adam_]

I ran those two tests, FRUEHANSCHLAG (early stop?) then DICHTHEIT (leak test) on a warm engine.
Intake and exhaust both gave status "Messung beendet, Soll-/Istwert-Vergleich ausfuehren" ("Measurement finished, carry out setpoint/actual value comparison") and setpoint and actual are within 5 degrees, so it seems leak/drift is okay!

Here are my results:

Test file : C:\EDIABAS\ECU\MSS54_VANOS_LEAKTESTS.TST
Start     : 06.10.2023 11:55:06.8
Nr 1(  1) : 06.10.2023 11:55:06.9
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG","","")
  JOB_STATUS                      = OKAY        
  EVAN_ISTWERT                    = 0                  00 00  ..      
  EVAN_SOLLWERT                   = -10          FF FF FF F6  ÿÿÿö    
  EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH               = Grad KW    
  EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH              = Grad KW    
Nr 2(  1) : 06.10.2023 11:55:12.4
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_EVANOS1_DICHTHEIT","","")
  JOB_STATUS                      = OKAY        
  EVAN_STATUS                     = Messung beendet, Soll-/Istwert-Vergleich ausfuehren
  EVAN_ISTWERT                    = 48                 00 30  .0      
  EVAN_SOLLWERT                   = 45                 00 2D  .-      
  EVAN_ISTWERT_EINH               = Grad KW    
  EVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH              = Grad KW    
Nr 3(  1) : 06.10.2023 11:55:27.0
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG","","")
  JOB_STATUS                      = OKAY        
  AVAN_ISTWERT                    = 0                  00 00  ..      
  AVAN_SOLLWERT                   = -10          FF FF FF F6  ÿÿÿö    
  AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH               = Grad KW    
  AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH              = Grad KW    
Nr 4(  1) : 06.10.2023 11:55:32.3
apiJob("mss54ds0","STEUERN_AVANOS1_DICHTHEIT","","")
  JOB_STATUS                      = OKAY        
  AVAN_STATUS                     = Messung beendet, Soll-/Istwert-Vergleich ausfuehren
  AVAN_ISTWERT                    = 17                 00 11  ..      
  AVAN_SOLLWERT                   = 15                 00 0F  ..      
  AVAN_ISTWERT_EINH               = Grad KW    
  AVAN_SOLLWERT_EINH              = Grad KW    
Stop      : 06.10.2023 11:55:47.9
Dauer     : 41.1 s

It's pretty straight forward, but in case anyone needs it I added a test file, just like with the other one, unzip it and place it in C:\EDIABAS\Ecu
The contents are exactly what Tomba recommended, but for both intake and exhaust.

1|mss54ds0|STEUERN_EVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG
1|mss54ds0|STEUERN_EVANOS1_DICHTHEIT
1|mss54ds0|STEUERN_AVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG
1|mss54ds0|STEUERN_AVANOS1_DICHTHEIT​

Thanks again Tomba!

[Tomba]

The dichtheid test, I already posted my suspicion on this. Maybe it needs to be set differently. I do had a few cars in the past who succeeded the test flawlessly. Newer ECUs have the ability to show the actual measured values during such tests. For the MSS54 I haven't found it yet.
Before the test the VANOS piston might need to move up (advance) then close both control valves (advance & retard) and observe the drift. A leak free system shouldn't drift to much. But I do suspect it is set correctly once the test it self is started.
You can try the following,
1. STEUERN_EVANOS1_FRUEHANSCHLAG and then,
2. STEUERN_EVANOS1_DICHTHEIT

Other option would be to activate the solenoids on your own with a separate device to advance with the engine speed lifted [STEUERN_LLS_TESTDREHZAHL] and then observe how the actual camshaft is moving once you don't activate them [STATUS_EVANOS1_IST] for intake, I would suggest TestO with DS2 Serial job for exhaust as I can't find the actual exhaust vanos position it in the job list.

Numbers do look good in your result.