MSS6x Flasher - Now released!

[steph57]

No i can't read anything. No ext no Int flash, it's a 170E

[MpowerE36]

It probably means that your two CPU are locked. I've seen in the program 240E and 241E that the locked routine is also in igntion side.

Can you read the extern flash ?

[steph57]

Hello, thanks for your answer
actually I can’t identify the ÉCU by obd and I can’t read left or right side of the MPC with my ktag

[MpowerE36]

Hello everybody,
I Flash an e92 m3 with MSS60x flasher with original ecuworx m3 e92 cable
It failed during the RSA ByPass
I tried read with TOOL32 but no connection to ECU.
I have original dump but only a Ktag and i can't read it, i don't know why..


What i can do ?

You can't read the CPU memory or the extern flash ? If you just can't read the CPU processor it probably comes from that your injection CPU is censored. The only way to recover it is to uncensor it with special BDM tool and carefully read the "MSS60 research" topic.

[steph57]

Hello everybody,
I Flash an e92 m3 with MSS60x flasher with original ecuworx m3 e92 cable
It failed during the RSA ByPass
I tried read with TOOL32 but no connection to ECU.
I have original dump but only a Ktag and i can't read it, i don't know why..


What i can do ?

[mrvex]

Yeah ive tried it in both positions with the switch pressed and depressed with INPA, I am getting IFH 0003 data transmission to interface disturbed. Thats when trying to open the engine ecu.. I am starting to think the cable is dead because I have tried everything else apart from the IP address change inside ediabas.ini which I have heard isnt needed anyway..

The led doesnt come on at all but the cable is recognized in device manager as normal and I am able to change port settings etc. Am I doing something wrong? I dont think I am because I have never had such issues before on other cars and the fact that mss6x flasher is basic when you have 10flash.PRG etc in the ediabas folders etc it should just read the ecu easily... Im stumped.

[ac427]

Guys,

I am a little lost here, I have installed BMW tools from BMW Geeks and also using the cable to match and followed all instructions, for some reason, with the flasher and with INPA, I am getting no connection to the car, flasher says unsupported/unknown and INPA just wont connect.

I am trying to connect to an E9X. I have turned down the latency to 1 also obd.ini is set at comport 1 as also in my device manager. Still nothing, the switch on the cable does this need to be pressed down or is that for older bmws?

Also this Dcan.exe application, do I need to use that in the background to archive a DCAN connection? Im lost... Also is there an LED indicator on the Bimmergeeks cable? Because that isnt coming on either.

Thanks in advance.

Do you have a switch K / DCAN on your OBD cable?

[mrvex]

Guys,

I am a little lost here, I have installed BMW tools from BMW Geeks and also using the cable to match and followed all instructions, for some reason, with the flasher and with INPA, I am getting no connection to the car, flasher says unsupported/unknown and INPA just wont connect.

I am trying to connect to an E9X. I have turned down the latency to 1 also obd.ini is set at comport 1 as also in my device manager. Still nothing, the switch on the cable does this need to be pressed down or is that for older bmws?

Also this Dcan.exe application, do I need to use that in the background to archive a DCAN connection? Im lost... Also is there an LED indicator on the Bimmergeeks cable? Because that isnt coming on either.

Thanks in advance.

[Stringgrinder]

Apparently this is a closed discussion lmao

[Stringgrinder]

You want everything handed to you on a silver platter?
good luck with that.

Well, had a chance to read through everything. Nah I've never had anything handed to me thanks. Was just asking questions... in a forum... which is the whole reason they exist...
Panties twisted?

[tdott]

Not helpful at all lol

You want everything handed to you on a silver platter?
good luck with that.

[Stringgrinder]

Sure.

But all this is completely off-topic and it would be customary to ask the question elsewhere. E90post has a lot of discussion related to all the issues you bring up.

Briefly, ISTA-D (diagnostic) and -P (programming) are dealer-level software. ISTA-P is smart in the sense that it will assess the update level (I-level) of all the modules in the vehicle then attempt to bring them all up to the most current status in one session. It's stupid in that you simply have to accept what it wants to do - it is difficult to apply selectively and with common sense. For this reason, you should ONLY use it with an ICOM adapter because that is what a dealer would use. BMW Standard Tools is a suite of factory-level tools - extremely powerful and streamlined. IMHO It can do more, do it more quickly and do it with a higher level of control than ISTA-P. However, there's a bit of a learning curve and it is mostly in German.

Neither of these is for making modifications to existing module programming outside of the special class called 'coding' - choosing between preset available factory options, like having the key fob put the top down or getting rid of the idiot warning screens on the CIC. Their value is primarily in providing quite sophisticated diagnostic options and in the case of ISTA-D, an extensive set of wiring diagrams, connector pinouts and locations and factory approved repair procedures. Carly is a sort of poor man's version of INPA and NCSExpert. Only you have to pay for that - BST and ISTA-D are free.

Neither of these or any other software package can do what it sounds like you want to do, which is integrate your android head unit into the I-drive system. A 'better' solution is to put the old head unit (CIC) back and install a 'Mr 12volt' carplay/android play adapter. It's the only one I know of that uses the MOST bus instead of AUX to introduce the audio. Read about it on e90post. The 'best' solution is to adapt a more modern BMW headunit (called NBT Evo). That's not for the faint of heart and it is very expensive ($2000-$2500).

Really?

[dpaul]

I wasn't really worried about the CIC as car already has the newest Android 11 head unit installed. But since you brought this up... what level of modification is possible using ISTA-P? My main issue with current setup is they ran the head unit audio through the Aux port, worst way to run audio really as without a preamp you lose A LOT. Car has indivudual audio so my annoyance is the loss of quality using the aux port. Would ISTA-P be capable enough, or is there another method to integrate head unit. My guess is they took the easy route and basically I have an expensive I-Pod right now, the display works seamlessly transitioning between android and i-drive, but the audio is sub par. Any insights on this issue?

Sure.

But all this is completely off-topic and it would be customary to ask the question elsewhere. E90post has a lot of discussion related to all the issues you bring up.

Briefly, ISTA-D (diagnostic) and -P (programming) are dealer-level software. ISTA-P is smart in the sense that it will assess the update level (I-level) of all the modules in the vehicle then attempt to bring them all up to the most current status in one session. It's stupid in that you simply have to accept what it wants to do - it is difficult to apply selectively and with common sense. For this reason, you should ONLY use it with an ICOM adapter because that is what a dealer would use. BMW Standard Tools is a suite of factory-level tools - extremely powerful and streamlined. IMHO It can do more, do it more quickly and do it with a higher level of control than ISTA-P. However, there's a bit of a learning curve and it is mostly in German.

Neither of these is for making modifications to existing module programming outside of the special class called 'coding' - choosing between preset available factory options, like having the key fob put the top down or getting rid of the idiot warning screens on the CIC. Their value is primarily in providing quite sophisticated diagnostic options and in the case of ISTA-D, an extensive set of wiring diagrams, connector pinouts and locations and factory approved repair procedures. Carly is a sort of poor man's version of INPA and NCSExpert. Only you have to pay for that - BST and ISTA-D are free.

Neither of these or any other software package can do what it sounds like you want to do, which is integrate your android head unit into the I-drive system. A 'better' solution is to put the old head unit (CIC) back and install a 'Mr 12volt' carplay/android play adapter. It's the only one I know of that uses the MOST bus instead of AUX to introduce the audio. Read about it on e90post. The 'best' solution is to adapt a more modern BMW headunit (called NBT Evo). That's not for the faint of heart and it is very expensive ($2000-$2500).

[Stringgrinder]

1) No, it is not worth getting an ICOM for what you say you want to do. If you want to update the programming for the CIC then yes. Otherwise, no. Only MOST bus modules need it. As for ISTA-P, I find no utility in it. It will insist on doing things you really might not want to do - you can't easily update just one, selected module.

I wasn't really worried about the CIC as car already has the newest Android 11 head unit installed. But since you brought this up... what level of modification is possible using ISTA-P? My main issue with current setup is they ran the head unit audio through the Aux port, worst way to run audio really as without a preamp you lose A LOT. Car has indivudual audio so my annoyance is the loss of quality using the aux port. Would ISTA-P be capable enough, or is there another method to integrate head unit. My guess is they took the easy route and basically I have an expensive I-Pod right now, the display works seamlessly transitioning between android and i-drive, but the audio is sub par. Any insights on this issue?

[Stringgrinder]

1) No, it is not worth getting an ICOM for what you say you want to do. If you want to update the programming for the CIC then yes. Otherwise, no. Only MOST bus modules need it. As for ISTA-P, I find no utility in it. It will insist on doing things you really might not want to do - you can't easily update just one, selected module.

2) No software will brick anything if you are only trying to read a module's memory. Keep in mind that it you have a custom tune you will not be able to read it with any of the commonly available packages. The tuners will encrypt the file they distribute and alter parameters in the DME so it cannot be read by OBDII. In addition, most MSS60 DMEs are programmed at the factory to prevent BDM reads so that option is generally out.

But if all you want to do is ascertain factory software level, you can do that with INPA (BMW standard tools) and any DCAN cable, even a junk Chinese knockoff. MSS6x flasher is also a great option and it is far easier to install. It will give you the installed software version info and read the entire flash - it will even give you the SK/ISN (although that is not read out from its original location in protected memory).

3) Good luck with logging - I've used BMWLogger - it is antique, awkward and inflexible. NOWHERE near as nice as MHD logger for the N54. It does work but if you find something better, let me know.

4) By far the best option for flashing the DME with program or calibration data that you've edited is MSS6x with the Bimmergeeks cable. It's been said multiple times but just to make sure, you MUST get either the Bimmergeeks cable (or one with properly updated firmware),or update the firmware yourself. If all you want to do is update the factory software to the most current version, just use WinKFP (BMW Standard tools). Again, you MUST use an updated cable

Thank you this is helpful. I just didn't want to put in this much work in anymore, but I guess I won't have a choice.