Csl for sale in Vancouver

[01SG]

The audacity on this forum is astounding. Almost as bad as the Porsche guys.

Let's see it then. Where is this 15k mile CSL replica, excuse me, CSL killer, that was so cheap to build?

No one has informed me how the weight reduction happens in a balanced manner, how they surpass the CSL so cheaply. You can get lighter wheels exhaust, suspension, brakes, and lose the back seat in a CSL too. I want to see this

A low mileage, factory original light weight car is likely just better to drive and better put together. You can't replicate that for cheap and that's a fact. The CSL has resale value that a replica wouldn't, making up for any difference. Simple as that.

And you guys trash the 550 Maranello? Are you kidding? You must be kidding.

And who here has even driven the CSL? I want first hand testimony. There was this same argument on the UK forum, and the majority came down on my side.

[yhp2009]

01SG I for one like the 550 Maranello
I get what youre saying that there is no clear "replica" of the CSL. Only approximations. And that the BMW factory balanced CSL is in many ways simply superior to our own attempts at copying it.
I think the difference in opinion is coming from the real magnitude of the difference and costs involved. There is some subjectivity in that discussion i think you'll finde different crowds have different answers

[repoman89]

The audacity on this forum is astounding. Almost as bad as the Porsche guys.

Let's see it then. Where is this 15k mile CSL replica, excuse me, CSL killer, that was so cheap to build?

No one has informed me how the weight reduction happens in a balanced manner, how they surpass the CSL so cheaply. You can get lighter wheels exhaust, suspension, brakes, and lose the back seat in a CSL too. I want to see this

A low mileage, factory original light weight car is likely just better to drive and better put together. You can't replicate that for cheap and that's a fact. The CSL has resale value that a replica wouldn't, making up for any difference. Simple as that.

And you guys trash the 550 Maranello? Are you kidding? You must be kidding.

And who here has even driven the CSL? I want first hand testimony. There was this same argument on the UK forum, and the majority came down on my side.

I really don’t think you’re actually understanding the conversation here, or you’re just building up straw man arguments on purpose for some weird reason. No one here is arguing what you think they’re arguing and it makes engaging with you tiresome.

All anyone has said is we can get close to the driving experience, and indeed close to (but not necessarily exceeding) the low weight of the CSL with a handful of well done mods. Airbox, seats, roof, battery, trunk and diffuser and then you have the noise and 150+ lbs of the weight loss (depending on whether starting from a sunroof or not). People here use aftermarket and replica parts where they’re high quality and make sense (Karbonius, Cobra and Recaro for seats, etc), and OE where those replicas aren’t good enough (trunk lid). That list is about $15k worth of stuff if you pick parts as I described, including labor for the roof and IMO gets most of the way there. Oh and make sure you add some weight back in for a RACP reinforcement so your car won’t tear itself apart like a Genuine Factory BMW Secret Sauce CSL (tm).

Here’s the full list of the BMW secret sauce by the way. Start with a ZCP to get a third of this stuff from the start: http://www.clubcsl.com/index.php/bmw...rt-differences

[stephen]

And what is with the Porsche lust? I'd have a 550 Maranello at that price point.

The audacity on this forum is astounding. Almost as bad as the Porsche guys.

And you guys trash the 550 Maranello? Are you kidding? You must be kidding.

I don’t think anyone here’s “trashing” the 550 Maranello, at least not in the same way you’re trashing Porsche. People like and are interested in different things than you. Shocker, I know.

[01SG]

I don’t think anyone here’s “trashing” the 550 Maranello, at least not in the same way you’re trashing Porsche. People like and are interested in different things than you. Shocker, I know.

I was not trashing Porsche in any way, I love Porsche. I was only offering my opinion on a meaningless, hypothetical situation which everyone seems to have the same boring answer to.

The comment about the 550 merely being a 3700 pound GT is absolutely trashing it. And, that's an incredibly stupid thing to say, considering we're all here for our love of a 3500 pound GT with half the cylinders...

Talk about reading comprehension..you agreed with my argument, Repoman. Look back. Furthermore, your argument changed, you said you could build a better car with the money. I doubt it, not without using basically all of the difference to have a car that won't hold it's value like an original. You would end up doing exactly what BMW did, because that much more hardcore and it would disqualify it from street use.

I acknowledged that you can get close, only that it costs a lot. And close is not the same, to have a 15k mile CSL beater, or even close, would still cost a fortune, at which point the real deal is only so much more, and with the originality that collectors want and the resale value to match. To truly match the experience of a low mileage CSL is much more than any of you are willing to make it out to be. Close is not exceeding.

In my opinion, it could only be done with original parts. My idea of a CSL beater, or close, is simply different. I don't believe that a bunch of much cheaper aftermarket parts makes it as special a package as what the factory put out.

This isn't going anywhere, so I'll bow out. I was only responding to someone who made it seem easy to replicate the CSL. In my opinion, it's not that easy. No one here has convinced me otherwise. Bottom line is, I think the car is worth it, and so does the market. It will probably sell quite a bit lower, around 150k, like what they're listed, granted, listed for, in Europe with similar mileage. No one asks what they actually expect to get.

[wahsm]

It never ceases to amaze me the kind of arguments that can start over something as simple as someone posting a CSL for sale in North America. I think it is great to see one brought here and the fact that someone feels they can ask for that kind of price is a good thing. Means the market for our cars is pretty damn healthy and there is a strong interest in these cars still.

I would still do Porsche over a 550 though 😜. But that is because my use for the car would probably be different than yours.

[Icecream]

The audacity on this forum is astounding. Almost as bad as the Porsche guys.

Let's see it then. Where is this 15k mile CSL replica, excuse me, CSL killer, that was so cheap to build?

A new GT3 fits the bill...and cost less than this.
Like I said before, the value in this car is 100% not because of the driving experience or because its some inreplicable (its a word, trust me) car/experience, that's just complete bullshit (just like the value in an e30 M3 is not in the driving experience).

[jet_dogg]

We're all audacious, but not him.

Let that sink in.

[erickhoyos]

Could the same be said for, let’s say, an E30 M3 Evo II or the E36 M3 LTW? Terrific cars but probably horrible for anything outside the track. I think at this point it’s more of the exclusivity and ability to own one of these gorgeous machines that are getting harder and harder to find. Price can be debatable but one thing’s for sure, there’s never going to be anything like the CSL anymore. Not a direct comparison but older cars like ‘70 Cudas and Challengers are so rare and hard to find that prices will go up and up, even more if they’re matching number cars and special models. Maybe it’s worth the buy, maybe not.

[01SG]

Adjusted for inflation, the CSL sold for around $100,000 new. Ultimately, I don't believe anyone can do better than the factory for much less, in terms of driving experience or fit and finish. I bet anyone who could afford the CSL would prefer it over tarting up a standard car to the same spec, even at the current price, though that relationship may very well become more skewed over time.

Not saying the CSL is comparable to a new GT3, only that it's the ultimate e46, bar none.

Of course, the 550 is nothing like a GT3, aside from the high revving engine. Though, to be fair, it was faster around the Ring than the hottest contemporary Porsche, the 993 Turbo. And with that divine interior, no less. That's just the car I aspire to own. I think a Ferrari V12 is probably more fun than any Porsche anything on the street. That is stupid enough to say, though, totally different things.

This is a better dream in this context. 911 Cup car for racing, old school 911 for the road. Then there are the Ferrari Challenge cars...

And I don't know, a E36 M3 LTW would probably be a blast on the road. More feedback than the standard car I'm sure, even if the limits are higher. It's not overly powerful, either.

[fullyflaredd]

The audacity on this forum is astounding. Almost as bad as the Porsche guys.

Let's see it then. Where is this 15k mile CSL replica, excuse me, CSL killer, that was so cheap to build?

No one has informed me how the weight reduction happens in a balanced manner, how they surpass the CSL so cheaply. You can get lighter wheels exhaust, suspension, brakes, and lose the back seat in a CSL too. I want to see this

A low mileage, factory original light weight car is likely just better to drive and better put together. You can't replicate that for cheap and that's a fact. The CSL has resale value that a replica wouldn't, making up for any difference. Simple as that.

And you guys trash the 550 Maranello? Are you kidding? You must be kidding.

And who here has even driven the CSL? I want first hand testimony. There was this same argument on the UK forum, and the majority came down on my side.

My last m3 was about $35k all in with CSL cams, Karb airbox, carbon roof, high end KW competiton 2 way suspension, AP racing brakes, zcp steering rack, recaros, etc. It weighed a little under 3100lbs and was corner balanced to have perfect weight distribution. Oh and it made 360whp, and there wasn't a single squeak or rattle or strange noises if you want to talk about factory fit and finish. So yes, it was by all means a CSL killer for significantly less money. Lower mileage m3's are tougher to come by for cheap nowadays, but if your only concern is actually driving the damn thing and you don't care about mileage, still very easy to make a car that surpasses the CSL. It's not rocket science. Also surely you've driven a SMG car. You're going to tell me BMW got that decision right?

In fact early used prices of the CSL showed the fact that it wasn't that much more special than a standard car. People weren't willing to pay that much over a standard car. And at that point you could even make the argument that the CSL was a bargain. However with the current market and everyone speculating left and right, any low numbers cars get snatched up and has an obscene price put on it. It has nothing to do with the driving experience (well not nothing, but it's not the main factor). It's about rarity and prominence, and that's fine. I don't get why this is difficult to understand. Obviously the CSL will always be worth a ton more. It's a low numbers factory special.

By the way, do you know how much a CSL actually weighs? Unless it's a fully stripped variant (no aircon, radio delete), it's not as light as you would think, albeit still light. My previous car was lighter, and my current m3 is pretty close in terms of weight. All without ruining the weight balance and NVH.

[SandeepM3]

Nobody is cross-shopping this with a gt3. Period. Its comparison price is irrelevant.

[yhp2009]

My last m3 was about $35k all in with CSL cams, Karb airbox, carbon roof, high end KW competiton 2 way suspension, AP racing brakes, zcp steering rack, recaros, etc. It weighed a little under 3100lbs and was corner balanced to have perfect weight distribution. Oh and it made 360whp, and there wasn't a single squeak or rattle or strange noises if you want to talk about factory fit and finish. So yes, it was by all means a CSL killer for significantly less money.

That is quite impressive for that price point. But im sure the only way to get there is to start with a high mileage m3 possibly with a history (or not depending on your luck). You gotta admit its not a fair comparison to a 15k original mile CSL

[fullyflaredd]

That is quite impressive for that price point. But im sure the only way to get there is to start with a high mileage m3 possibly with a history (or not depending on your luck). You gotta admit its not a fair comparison to a 15k original mile CSL

Cars and parts were cheaper several years ago. Def not a fair comparison given prices of low mileage m3's these days.

[yhp2009]

Yea agreed