The Official Bring A Trailer (BaT) Thread

[oceansize]

FWIW:

I originally didn't want an E90 M3 for the same reason. I've come to believe these engines are fine.

The rod bearing thing is way, way overblown. The original leaded bearings were the ones with the problems; the updated non-leaded bearings BMW started installing in 2010-ish (when auto-start-stop came in) had some failures very early on but seem to have been fine for many years at this point. They discolor but don't fail barring complete idiocy.

Crank bearings? Maybe. But, suspiciously, only on engines that have been messed with internally...

The only other real failure item on this is TAs, which is rare.

No turbos and no DI, so that's a ton less inherent headache. Also no crank hub nonsense.

People seem to want to make something of the VANOS hub covers now but... IDK, maybe don't jam screwdrivers into that area when doing VCGs or whatever.

Everything else is just normal stuff. Give it good fuel, change the oil / filters/ spark plugs on time, don't use crap parts, mod with care, keep an eye on the primary O2 sensors, sometimes a gasket leaks.

Not saying this engine is Toyota-level reliable, but plenty of S65s have taken a lot of abuse and been fine, are still tracking with deep 6-digit mileage, etc.

The internet has created a landscape where every sports car is going to blow up tomorrow from normal use. I've owned several V8s over the last few years and on every single forum it is exactly the same, some dude is posting "Is my engine going to blow up?" with some half assed audio of a normal engine idling. Every single V8 ever produced has some problems. M156 (amazing engine)? camshaft adjusters and head bolts (early models). Coyote 5.0? solenoids, possible early camshaft wear. Voodoo? Oil consumption, some definitely pop.

The issue is people lie on the internet, swear up and down they were the perfect owner and did nothing wrong. Some didn't lie and they were unlucky, which stinks. I'm convinced that most did do something wrong and then regret their choices, but don't want to admit their mistakes or full list of mods.

[IamFODI]

Yes exactly. I really liked it but im going to wait for another year or so before buying one or maybe an M2 COMP but they'll both have to be for the states. I'm even looking at sedans like An F80 M3 for more reliability Vs an E90 M3 which is my favorite but that motor is just too risky....

FWIW:

I originally didn't want an E90 M3 for the same reason. I've come to believe these engines are fine.

The rod bearing thing is way, way overblown. The original leaded bearings were the ones with the problems; the updated non-leaded bearings BMW started installing in 2010-ish (when auto-start-stop came in) had some failures very early on but seem to have been fine for many years at this point. They discolor superficially but don't fail barring complete idiocy.

TA failure is a thing, but rare. I'm coming up on 170k; one of my TAs was replaced by the previous owner and now has >100k miles on it, and the other is original.

People talk about crank bearings occasionally. But when you dig into the histories of engines with those failures, it seems like every time you find the engine has been messed with internally...

No turbos and no DI, so that's a ton less inherent headache. Also no crank hub nonsense.

People seem to want to make something of the VANOS hub covers now but... IDK, maybe don't jam screwdrivers into that area when doing VCGs or whatever.

Everything else is just normal stuff. Give it good fuel, change the oil / filters/ spark plugs on time, don't use crap parts, mod with care, keep an eye on the primary O2 sensors, sometimes a gasket leaks.

Not saying this engine is Toyota-level reliable, but plenty of S65s have taken a lot of abuse and been fine, are still tracking with deep 6-digit mileage, etc. When they're treated reasonably and not messed with, they seem about as bulletproof as genuine performance engines get.

[Grey Phox]

There's a formula to making those E9X engines reliable. And it includes adding a blower, which turns the car into monstrous fun. I want to say pistons, rods and bearings but I don't actually recall. My buddy / mechanic did it to his 6MT Sedan, so that prospect is intriguing to me, having used it a few times for a few days while he was working on this or that for me.

maw

I think it was rod bearings and throttle acuators that were the things to replace in those cars. There's probably other stuff too.

That vert went for more than I would think it would have, but that thing is still like a time capsule. All that stuff is reversible if you wanted a close to stock or stock low mileage car.

[maw1124]

Maw,

Yes exactly. I really liked it but im going to wait for another year or so before buying one or maybe an M2 COMP but they'll both have to be for the states. I'm even looking at sedans like An F80 M3 for more reliability Vs an E90 M3 which is my favorite but that motor is just too risky....

There's a formula to making those E9X engines reliable. And it includes adding a blower, which turns the car into monstrous fun. I want to say pistons, rods and bearings but I don't actually recall. My buddy / mechanic did it to his 6MT Sedan, so that prospect is intriguing to me, having used it a few times for a few days while he was working on this or that for me.

maw

[0-60motorsports]

Scratching my head at that one honestly. None of those mods ADD value to me. They more like subtract value. "Buy the odometer get the car for free" might explain it though.

maw

Maw,

Yes exactly. I really liked it but im going to wait for another year or so before buying one or maybe an M2 COMP but they'll both have to be for the states. I'm even looking at sedans like An F80 M3 for more reliability Vs an E90 M3 which is my favorite but that motor is just too risky....

You'll laugh so hard at this, one of the best cars we have used for the last 2-3 years is a Jeep Grand Cherokee, the newer Gen models (i hate to admit it but the comfort on that vehicle is great!)

[maw1124]

Sold for $36250

Scratching my head at that one honestly. None of those mods ADD value to me. They more like subtract value. "Buy the odometer get the car for free" might explain it though.

maw

[oceansize]

Sold for $36250

Yeah, I'm not sure why people even bother bidding until the two minute mark.

[0-60motorsports]

Serious bidding doesn't occur until the last two minutes.

Sold for $36250

[0-60motorsports]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...nvertible-104/

Surprised this is sitting as cheap as it is. Even with it being Blk/blk SMG vert, 10K miles I thought would bring more then mid teens.

Love it! I would demod it a bit but I love it

[oceansize]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...nvertible-104/

Surprised this is sitting as cheap as it is. Even with it being Blk/blk SMG vert, 10K miles I thought would bring more then mid teens.

Serious bidding doesn't occur until the last two minutes.

[Kevin2772]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-bmw-m3-convertible-104/

Surprised this is sitting as cheap as it is. Even with it being Blk/blk SMG vert, 10K miles I thought would bring more then mid teens.

[PSUEng]

and the wires popping out from under the dash....

And that passenger side dash trim popped out.

[fattycharged]

BaT final prices are sneaky because they don't include the BaT fee or your tax obligation. I've crunched the numbers when I was bidding on a car - 27.7 becomes over 31.

Then you'll have shipping on top of that if needed, thats 500-2000 more.

Hopefully people aren't learning how buying a vehicle works for the first time on BAT 😂


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[///Marecki]

I'd say all that added up to a good price for an IB Comp with reasonable miles - $27,250.

BaT final prices are sneaky because they don't include the BaT fee or your tax obligation. I've crunched the numbers when I was bidding on a car - 27.7 becomes over 31.

Then you'll have shipping on top of that if needed, thats 500-2000 more.

[BlueBimmers]

I'd say all that added up to a good price for an IB Comp with reasonable miles - $27,250.