Trying to decide: e46 M3 vs F82 M4 vs 997.2

[IamFODI]

I wasn't expecting it to happen so soon but I'm now the proud owner of a 2020 M2C! She popped up for sale just this morning at a dealership not even 8 miles from my house. They literally still had her on the lift changing the oil so I was probably the first customer to even test drive her!!!

I'm glad I went to go look just on the impulse. I put 50 miles on this car today and I love it. It puts a huge shit-eating grin on my face and that's all I can ask for out of a car, and it's just absolutely GORGEOUS!!!!

Congrats!

[t44tq]

I wasn't expecting it to happen so soon but I'm now the proud owner of a 2020 M2C! She popped up for sale just this morning at a dealership not even 8 miles from my house. They literally still had her on the lift changing the oil so I was probably the first customer to even test drive her!!!

I'm glad I went to go look just on the impulse. I put 50 miles on this car today and I love it. It puts a huge shit-eating grin on my face and that's all I can ask for out of a car, and it's just absolutely GORGEOUS!!!!

Congrats- did you get a DCT or a stick? I didn't understand your post after about swapping to a ZF8 automatic.

[Tbonem3]

M2 gorgeous? Lol. Puffy and bubble blocked shape with silly, over-the-top front end styling.

[Aeko]

M2 gorgeous? Lol. Puffy and bubble blocked shape with silly, over-the-top front end styling.

I could say the same about the Bangle M3 LOL. Not really sure what the point of this comment is, feels like you're trying to rain on my parade?

Congrats- did you get a DCT or a stick? I didn't understand your post after about swapping to a ZF8 automatic.

DCT. The comment on the ZF8 was unrelated to the M2, and was in reference to the ZF8 swaps I mentioned earlier in the thread. Specifically re: manual only cars like the 1M, especially because the ZF8 is a direct bolt-on.

I wanted to put the info out there in case any other people who for whatever reason cant enjoy a 3 pedal car want one that only came factory that way.

[t44tq]

DCT. The comment on the ZF8 was unrelated to the M2, and was in reference to the ZF8 swaps I mentioned earlier in the thread. Specifically re: manual only cars like the 1M, especially because the ZF8 is a direct bolt-on.

I wanted to put the info out there in case any other people who for whatever reason cant enjoy a 3 pedal car want one that only came factory that way.

I didn't get the part about having three pedals in an automatic swapped car- that YT video was incomprehensible to me, sorry.

[dukeofchen]

M2 gorgeous? Lol. Puffy and bubble blocked shape with silly, over-the-top front end styling.

Gorgeous compared to the 2023 that they just released, lord have mercy.

[Icecream]

Gorgeous compared to the 2023 that they just released, lord have mercy.

Gotta see it in person. Current M2 doesn't look great in photos but in person I think they look pretty good, especially in comp trim. Bet the new one does to. However, the bigger story here is the 3800+ curb weight they quoted. How is that possible? That's more than the e92 and e63.

[dukeofchen]

Gotta see it in person. Current M2 doesn't look great in photos but in person I think they look pretty good, especially in comp trim. Bet the new one does to. However, the bigger story here is the 3800+ curb weight they quoted. How is that possible? That's more than the e92 and e63.

Oh don't get me wrong, I actually like the looks of the current M2, and would love to have one as a daily with more creature comforts but zero additional practicality over the E46 😂

I'll reserve final judgment on the 2023 until I see one in person, but I'm pretty skeptical my initial impression will change. Albeit it's not G80/G82 level bad.

On a separate note I've always thought that someone could make a killing if they designed a proper aftermarket front bumper for the G80/G82.

[heinzboehmer]

Gotta see it in person. Current M2 doesn't look great in photos but in person I think they look pretty good, especially in comp trim. Bet the new one does to. However, the bigger story here is the 3800+ curb weight they quoted. How is that possible? That's more than the e92 and e63.

Weight is basically the same as the G80. Makes me wonder if it's just a G80 with a different body.

[Aeko]

I didn't get the part about having three pedals in an automatic swapped car- that YT video was incomprehensible to me, sorry.

Understandable, I guess it didn't make sense out of context. But, to anyone following this thread; the gist of it is Turbolamik makes a ZF8 controller which allows you to use a sensor for a clutch pedal which lets you disengage or slip the clutch packs similar to a traditional manual transmission. But you can switch it to a mode where it's fully auto when if/when you don't want to use the clutch. Best of both worlds, ideally. Clutch kicks, burnouts, super fast shifts and still can cruise in traffic stop and go traffic without needing to clutch in.

Gotta see it in person. Current M2 doesn't look great in photos but in person I think they look pretty good, especially in comp trim. Bet the new one does to. However, the bigger story here is the 3800+ curb weight they quoted. How is that possible? That's more than the e92 and e63.

Yeah, imo it's not as bad as some of the other offerings, but I basically don't like any of the G series cars. Not sure where they're going with the styling at all. I don't even want to get started on the XM and it's marketing wank.

Even with the M2 Comp being 3600 it really does not feel like it in the least but its still pushing it. I was surprised to learn that after I test drove the first one about two weeks ago. It handles like it's 500 pounds lighter than it really is, which may explain why the EPS feels numb as a result of having to assist the steering and front end setup to make it agile at the cost of feedback.

I'm really surprised how readily the M2C rotates in a corner and once it does it almost accelerates how fast it rotates, it really wants to move the back end around.

[usdmej]

Not really sure what the point of this comment is, feels like you're trying to rain on my parade?

you've been soliciting people's car opinions so, you're gonna get some?

it doesn't help that the M2 or any F87 has always been a particularly unattractive vehicle (imo)

great car objectively tho

[EthanolTurbo]

Weight is basically the same as the G80. Makes me wonder if it's just a G80 with a different body.

The F80 and F87 basically weigh the same as well.

[t44tq]

Even with the M2 Comp being 3600 it really does not feel like it in the least but its still pushing it. I was surprised to learn that after I test drove the first one about two weeks ago. It handles like it's 500 pounds lighter than it really is, which may explain why the EPS feels numb as a result of having to assist the steering and front end setup to make it agile at the cost of feedback.

The steering feels numb because:
a. It's electric power assist, which doesn't have nearly as much feedback as hydraulic assist.
b. The front tires are 245mm wide, which doesn't help. I went from 225 to 265 on the front of my M3 and it really dulled the steering feel. The wider you go, the worse it is, which takes us to-
c. The car is a heavy pig at 3600 lbs.- you need more tire when the car is that heavy, so unless BMW wakes up and goes Lotus on us, the cars will just continue to get duller and heavier with each progressive generation.

You never looked at a lighter car, so you missed out- drive a '99 996 (doesn't matter if it's auto or manual) which comes in around 2900 lbs.- the fact that most of the weight is in the back and you're running relatively skinny tires up front make for a really nice driving experience. Sharpen up things with a better alignment, better tires and better dampers and you see how the GT3s are so great.

[IamFODI]

The steering feels numb because:
a. It's electric power assist, which doesn't have nearly as much feedback as hydraulic assist.
b. The front tires are 245mm wide, which doesn't help. I went from 225 to 265 on the front of my M3 and it really dulled the steering feel. The wider you go, the worse it is, which takes us to-
c. The car is a heavy pig at 3600 lbs.- you need more tire when the car is that heavy, so unless BMW wakes up and goes Lotus on us, the cars will just continue to get duller and heavier with each progressive generation.

All true – though at least some in the industry has figured out how to get some feedback out of EPS even with wide-ish tires, so I feel like BMW also earns some blame for not implementing any solutions.

I've noticed that modern BMWs respond so intuitively in so many situations that they don't feel as disconnected as I expect them to given the lack of steering feedback. I wonder if they feel like that's an excuse to drop (or deprecate) steering feedback.

[heinzboehmer]

The F80 and F87 basically weigh the same as well.

Hmm, so maybe not. I'm clearly not very well informed about the newer gen BMWs lol