Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Valve Adjustment Kit Questions

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #31
    Originally posted by Titaniu//M View Post
    FYI the TIS states that you should apply Drei Bond 1209
    Cool thanks for the info. I'll take a look at the TIS procedure. Any chance there is anything as good as Drei Bond 1209 that doesn't cost 25 dollars?
    2003.5 ///M3 - Laguna Seca Blue - Black - SMG Delete

    Comment


      #32
      I have used wiseco shims a few times with no issues. Technically you can get away without a micrometer but you’ll save hours of work with one.

      instead of guessing a choosing which shin to put in you can just measure the one out of the car with your micrometer and simply get one a little larger

      Comment


        #33
        Originally posted by sina View Post

        Cool thanks for the info. I'll take a look at the TIS procedure. Any chance there is anything as good as Drei Bond 1209 that doesn't cost 25 dollars?
        Most RTVs will work fine, but I did notice that Drei Bond is more viscous, easily workable without making a mess and seals very well. For something difficult to access like the oil pan gasket, I'd opt for Drei Bond or something equivalent. Even though the tube is small and expensive, a small amount goes a long way and I could see the tube lasting a long time.

        Comment


          #34
          another +1 for wiseco shims here. I actually use a set of BMW 90* feelers for my valve adjustments - they're very easy to use however the increments are in .05mm so you don't quite get an exact lash measurement down to the hundredth. close enough to get within spec though.
          [AW / Cinnamon / 6MT] /// [build journal]

          Comment


            #35
            Originally posted by sina View Post

            Cool thanks for the info. I'll take a look at the TIS procedure. Any chance there is anything as good as Drei Bond 1209 that doesn't cost 25 dollars?
            I don’t use any sealant and the car doesn’t leak any oil. Makes the jobs a lot easier and cleaner. Been doing this for over a decade and never seen a drop leaked.

            2005 IR/IR M3 Coupe
            2012 LMB/Black 128i
            2008 Black/Black M5 Sedan

            Comment


              #36
              Originally posted by sina View Post

              Cool thanks for the info. I'll take a look at the TIS procedure. Any chance there is anything as good as Drei Bond 1209 that doesn't cost 25 dollars?
              Toyota FIPG. Worth every penny.

              Comment


                #37
                It's been a long while since I have visited this particular subject of wiseco shims. Since we lost all of our information from the other site I figured I would take what I could find from our previous research into this particular subject and put it on the forum so others can learn. It's hard to believe we did this back in 2014! I attached the only image I had left from the test results.

                Anyways here is what we initially wrote (p0lar and maruscmn)

                Inexpensive Valve Shims Sourced - WiseCo VSK4

                I know, the title seems misleading, I mean after all, they're < $4 each, right? Why bother? As self-titled keeper of the motorsport enthusiast M3 trust, I feel compelled to make as many changes to status quo as possible when it comes to protecting the financial interests of m3forum members.

                So sometimes it only makes sense to buy shims individually if you have a dealer in close proximity, and only if that dealer sells them to you at a reasonable price, or only if you get them in on another order. In most other cases.... you'll want to read on.

                I and another friend and forum member, after doing his valve adjustment, got frustrated with the status quo for what was $440 for a full set of shims so that we could just keep them on-hand while doing our own, and others', valve adjustments. His car was going to be down for a few weeks anyway, so we figured it wasn't a big deal to simply order the shims we needed and move on with life. It would have been nice to have an assortment of shims to choose from, but the money for a full shim kit was better spent on track time. (it always is)

                As we all know, the stereotypical fleecing that's imparted upon us by BMW (amongst others) drives us to seek alternate solutions without compromise to performance or quality. As such, I'm here to post a review on the WiseCo VSK4 valve shim kit. This kit contains quantity 3 each of 8.85mm shims from 1.72mm to 2.60mm in 0.04mm increments. The OEM BMW kit contains the same shims from 1.72mm to 2.60mm in 0.04mm increments, but has 6 of each of those 23 different shims.

                The difference? The VSK4 is about $38 + shipping, so a full replacement set to match the BMW kit would be just over $75 + shipping. That's a whoppingdifference of $364.

                Skeptical as we were, we ordered a set anyway. After all, this is WiseCo, not some cheap knock-off (see RacerPro, ugh). Here is the set as it arrived: (No Pic remained)

                Before the WiseCo shims arrived, we mic'd a NEW OEM 2.12mm shim. After three measurements at three different points around its circumference, it came out to 8.853mm in diameter. The same WiseCo 2.12mm shim mic'd at 8.849+mm in diameter for a difference of ~0.003mm (0.00012" difference). The magnetism was also tested and confirmed to be very similar to that of the OEM shims using an OEM tool, no difference was noted.

                Most OEM shims have some variance in their thickness, such that 2.12mm shims may measure more or less than 2.12, so that measurement may not be accurate across a multitude of shims since there's only one data point. Regardless, our new OEM 2.12mm shim measured 2.126mm and our WiseCo 2.12mm shim measured 2.128mm.

                The top side with thickness marking: (No Pics)


                And the reverse side: (you wouldn't know which is which unless you saw the front)


                So, what's the difference, then? Are the OEM shims hardened differently than the WiseCos? They're certainly not shaped differently. The hardness has been verified/validated - see the results at the end of this post, the WiseCos are through-hardened and precision ground. Atop that, WiseCo is a recognized name in high quality aftermarket engine parts, and actually produce pistons and piston rings for a number of aftermarket BMW engines, even the S54, amongst other bits and pieces.

                I know there will be naysayers who say there's no replacement for the OEM valve shims because "BMW Quality", etc, but it's not as if BMW has exactly lived up to their quality standard with respect to the bulk of the valve train anyway, as a simple 'VANOS failure' search will indicate. Though the shims are thought to have no part in that particular catastrophe, it still begs the question that they've made unilaterally good decisions. I digress, back to the topic.

                WiseCo produces good parts, and I can find no reason why these shims would fail their reputation or fail to operate as intended in the S54 valvetrain. We're going to test both the WiseCo and OEM shims for hardness to find out what the differences are, but I think we already know where this is headed. Both non-OEM shims have been tested and confirmed, results below!​ (Thanks to University of Missouri S&T Metallurgical Department)

                So, I suppose I'm posting this so others can order a set, or sets, and taste the fruits of our experimentation or review for themselves. A valve adjustment and inspection shouldn't be an expensive endeavour, especially considering how important it is to the health and operation of the S54.

                Both Hot Cams and Wiseco sell refills, part numbers as follows, but $5.77/5 pack shipped via eBay is VERY good on the HotCams!
                Thickness Quantity HotCams # WiseCo #
                8.9 mm 2.60 mm 5 5PK890260 VS8260
                8.9 mm 2.56 mm 5 5PK890256 VS8256
                8.9 mm 2.52 mm 5 5PK890252 VS8252
                8.9 mm 2.48 mm 5 5PK890248 VS8248
                8.9 mm 2.44 mm 5 5PK890244 VS8244
                8.9 mm 2.40 mm 5 5PK890240 VS8240
                8.9 mm 2.36 mm 5 5PK890236 VS8236
                8.9 mm 2.32 mm 5 5PK890232 VS8232
                8.9 mm 2.28 mm 5 5PK890228 VS8228
                8.9 mm 2.24 mm 5 5PK890224 VS8224
                8.9 mm 2.20 mm 5 5PK890220 VS8220
                8.9 mm 2.16 mm 5 5PK890216 VS8216
                8.9 mm 2.12 mm 5 5PK890212 VS8212
                8.9 mm 2.08 mm 5 5PK890208 VS8208
                8.9 mm 2.04 mm 5 5PK890204 VS8204
                8.9 mm 2.00 mm 5 5PK890200 VS8200
                8.9 mm 1.96 mm 5 5PK890196 VS8196
                8.9 mm 1.92 mm 5 5PK890192 VS8192
                8.9 mm 1.88 mm 5 5PK890188 VS8188
                8.9 mm 1.84 mm 5 5PK890184 VS8184
                8.9 mm 1.80 mm 5 5PK890180 VS8180
                8.9 mm 1.76 mm 5 5PK890176 VS8176
                8.9 mm 1.72 mm 5 5PK890172 VS8172

                Updated 04.04.2014: Shim hardness testing results are in - it's a match!
                Test 1 Test 2 Test 3 Test 4 Test 5 Mean StDev
                WiseCo (new) 62 62 62.5 62 62.5 62.2 0.274
                OEM (used) 62.5 62.5 63 63 62.5 62.7 0.274
                OEM (new) 62 62 62.5 62.5 62.5 62.3 0.274
                HotCams (new) 61 62 62 61 62 61.6 0.548

                Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2467.jpg
Views:	92
Size:	62.4 KB
ID:	275219

                Attached Files
                High Temp Caliper Rebuild Kits For Brembo Calipers; Caliper Pistons
                www.ohioperformancesolutions.com
                2007 C4S F77 Aerokit / 2004 E46 M3 / 2018 M3 comp​

                Comment

                Working...
                X