S54 Dyno Database

[Tbonem3]

Dem leaky Langs

[jet_dogg]

I've never been around a mustang dyno but we used to dyno a lot on old claytons, don't know if anybody remembers those. If I had to guess probably the easiest to fudge which is why I appreciate the dynojet in addition to it's single roller.

You could get wildly varying results from that by simply varying simple inputs, but that was a long time ago and the details are foggy.

Also I've been saying this whole time there's something wrong with duracels car, 340 is low for the mods and power band is strange.

[///Mangler]

anyone have a dyno plot from a super flow dyno and then DJ the same car? Just wondering what the delta is between those two.

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[stash1]

Yeah he’s also barely making power past 7.5k which is not right. My buddy made 330whp on stock head, cams, evolve airbox, and fab speed catless headers on a mustang dyno on 91 on a 100 degree day.

Will let you guys know what I make on Saturday with the following:

-Stage 3 head with single groove supertech valves and springs
-schrick 280/272 cams and dlc followers
-Full SS exhaust with V1 stepped headers, no cats
-Karbonius Airbox with CSL Map and DME base

Hassan has told me he has made power on a stock engine up to 8800rpm with my cams so I am planning to have him tune to that just to see because the head will take it. If we make power I’ll drop it down to 8600rpm and just plan to replace bearings every 50-60k miles. Nbd lol.

Block leak down tested to only 1-2% loss across all cylinders at 126k miles which is incredible so really looking forward to this.

Will be using a mustang dyno so the numbers will definitely be lower, probably high 340-350 range so I plan to get on a dyno jet at a later time for the actual comparison here since most guys are using dynojet as a reference.


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Cool, GL, and post up after the dyno! FYI, numbers on a Mustang are virtually meaningless. The operator can 'scale' a Mustang dyno to read either high or low, but the vast majority try to 'approximate' Dynojet numbers because that is the industry std., and also because they don't wanna lose business to 'higher' reading Dynojets.😁 I've actually seen some higher numbers from a Mustang vs a Dynojet before...it's a myth that Mustang's automatically read lower. Def try to get back up numbers on a Dynojet (but not EAS's😉), and I bet that they're within just a few HP of the Mustang.

[jet_dogg]

I'm guessing it should make around 350ish on a mustang considering stock head, 360 on a dynojet. We've no idea what kind of power that head will make.

Personally I've never trusted ported heads and it's all black magic to me. I had a head done in the 90s for my gsr by a dude who was allegedly the best in the game and the car always ran like shit.

When my boy papadakis had his shop back in the day, I took a stock b18c head that he swapped out for me and my car was instantly faster. Hopefully this won't be the case for you.

[thegenius46m]

Stash,

I think he is a bit down on power, 340 on 91 with ported head and same cams as yours is bit low..

I have a local tuner who did 339 on fresh std S54 engine put on Haltech Standalone which it
does not matter for power vs std DME.

DynoJet variation do exist but its minimal. Anyway, there is gain before and after which is most important.

From around 2500k rpms up to about ~6600rpm there is avarage around ~5-9rwhphp gain thru the curve
at 6300rpm there is 0 gain. It seems very little considering the long list of parts.

Regards,
Anri

Yeah he’s also barely making power past 7.5k which is not right. My buddy made 330whp on stock head, cams, evolve airbox, and fab speed catless headers on a mustang dyno on 91 on a 100 degree day.

Will let you guys know what I make on Saturday with the following:

-Stage 3 head with single groove supertech valves and springs
-schrick 280/272 cams and dlc followers
-Full SS exhaust with V1 stepped headers, no cats
-Karbonius Airbox with CSL Map and DME base

Hassan has told me he has made power on a stock engine up to 8800rpm with my cams so I am planning to have him tune to that just to see because the head will take it. If we make power I’ll drop it down to 8600rpm and just plan to replace bearings every 50-60k miles. Nbd lol.

Block leak down tested to only 1-2% loss across all cylinders at 126k miles which is incredible so really looking forward to this.

Will be using a mustang dyno so the numbers will definitely be lower, probably high 340-350 range so I plan to get on a dyno jet at a later time for the actual comparison here since most guys are using dynojet as a reference.


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[thegenius46m]

Finally getting around to posting my results to this thread. My build thread LINK

Here is a summary of the mods:

2005 ZCP w/ 155k miles at the time of the build.

Karbonius CSL Airbox (OEM trumpets) w/ OEM Snorkel and operational flap
Lang Stage 2.5 head w/ Supertech valves and springs
Schrick 280/288 cams, 12.5mm lift w/ DLC rockers
Port exhaust side of head
SS V1 stepped headers
SS catted section 1
SS resonated twin pipe section 2
SS race mufflers
Kassel Performance CSL ECU conversion
Kassel Performance MAP sensor
TMS underpower pulles, water pump and power steering
SPAL electric fan conversion
Turbo Toys V3 exhaust hub
Custom tune by Paul Claudes
91 octane pump gas

TLDR version; 340 rwhp / 247 rwtq on a Dynojet w/ 91 octane pump gas. More power on the table once I get 93 octane gas.

-- Dyno Curves --
Blue: Mostly stock, aFe Stage 2 intake, Borla V2 midpipes and mufflers
Red: aFe Stage 2 intake, AP V2 headers, CPI Euro section 1 w/ resonators, OEM section 2, Borla mufflers
Green: Final tune results from CSL airbox conversion, custom head build, and full SS exhaust (full list above)

Hmm, I have similar mods that were just done with a similar built head as well. 340whp on a dyno jet seems awfully low with that setup. Have you leakdown tested the motor out of curiosity? When I got my stage 3 head back from Lang it had leaking valves and my local machinist had to fix it. Hard to believe cats in section 1 is really robbing 20 whp but it’s been a bit since I checked.


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[thegenius46m]

Ok, just be careful, because I’ve heard of factory LCA’s bending on occasion.

Oh sorry I misread your previous message. Believe the guy uses the knuckles to strap down. I will absolutely NOT let him use my new factory LCAs because they WILL bend. The old ones bent from endlinks being the wrong length lol. Fuck that.


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[stash1]

Will let you know this weekend when mine goes on the dyno by my guy said he was doing that method already.


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Ok, just be careful, because I’ve heard of factory LCA’s bending on occasion.

[thegenius46m]

The majority of operators I've seen typically just strap around the LCA's. Not saying that's good or bad, just saying that's been the norm that I've seen.

Will let you know this weekend when mine goes on the dyno by my guy said he was doing that method already.


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[thegenius46m]

The majority of operators I've seen typically just strap around the LCA's. Not saying that's good or bad, just saying that's been the norm that I've seen.

Will let you know this weekend when mine goes on the dyno by my guy said he was doing that method


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[stash1]

Where are you guys strapping the car to on the dyno? I need to schedule a remote tune soon and the shop I'm planning on using doesn't typically work on E46s. I've got some beefy SPL Parts rear lower control arms, but ideally I'd have it secured elsewhere.

The majority of operators I've seen typically just strap around the LCA's. Not saying that's good or bad, just saying that's been the norm that I've seen.

[heinzboehmer]

Where are you guys strapping the car to on the dyno? I need to schedule a remote tune soon and the shop I'm planning on using doesn't typically work on E46s. I've got some beefy SPL Parts rear lower control arms, but ideally I'd have it secured elsewhere.

The dyno operator at the one I went to used t hooks. Take off the rear jack pads, put the t hooks in and strap it down.

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Tools/BM...-Set-of-4.html

This is how BMW straps the cars down for shipping too.

[Jickel180]

Where are you guys strapping the car to on the dyno? I need to schedule a remote tune soon and the shop I'm planning on using doesn't typically work on E46s. I've got some beefy SPL Parts rear lower control arms, but ideally I'd have it secured elsewhere.

[stash1]

No Dyno Curves posted for any 296/288 cams it seems. Has anyone built NA race motors and published their Dyno sheets?

I feel like most folks building race motors (and it's probably a very, very small number) aren't concerned w/posting graphs on forums or FB...or social media in general. The only person that I know for sure that is running big boy cams is Mike Cotter, but his cams are custom, and he's running a stroker motor as well. Unfortunately, I've never seen one of his more recent dyno's, but rumor has it that he's making around 400WHP now.